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csdude55: I've always been a hater of Fakebook, and in my mind it's just a poorly designed message board. I've never really used Twitter beyond glancing at the occasional post, but it seems to have the same general format.@csdude55: surprisingly I think the same, word by word (the whole post). I didn't join FB until many years later only to explore the social media on traffic, didn't like it so I removed it, but I've seen movement on groups that I'm not seeing on forums. Depending the cases, the people within the communities have been more of a positive force doing the moderation and reporting, something now rarely see on forums, at least not that I've seen it a lot, so, still looking for new places.
me: Depending the cases, the people within the communities have been more of a positive force doing the moderation and reporting, something now rarely see on forums, at least not that I've seen it a lot, so, still looking for new places.Quoting myself, right now seems to me... on most forums most people stepped back from moderation because somehow correcting people or their behavior... sends a vibe of "not cool", or even makes those people go away and "kills the forum". But compared to social media I easily see the other members correcting others, exposing them, punishing them, reporting, and even asking the user to be removed. From my perspective it's not about A vs B, but what could be adopted to make something better. Recently on the few forums I visit, I've been taking a more active behavior about this, and no I'm not a moderator (and I don't want to) but I guess we all have a bit of responsibility within communities.
on most forums most people stepped back from moderation because somehow correcting people or their behavior... sends a vibe of "not cool", or even makes those people go away and "kills the forum". But compared to social media I easily see the other members correcting others, exposing them, punishing them, reporting, and even asking the user to be removed.
csdude55: I could go on and on with these examples, but long story short is that, for some reason, small businesses are held to impossible standards while bigger businesses are given a free pass. It's an uphill battle for us every step of the way.That's so unfair, I guess talking to a real person didn't help as they wanted to make you responsible for the noise somehow, good luck (for them) in FB because they will never get to talk with a real person, there is a lot there to unpack on how unhealthy it is for them, but yeah, the deal here is how it hurts websites, forums, forums owners, advertising, income, etc. Besides, I don't think what they say is realistic or making sense.
Forums are like destinations that can't be reached because those in control of the roads have built roads leading elsewhere and away.
I remember at Pubcon Florida 2004 when we put "real names" on name tags for the first time. People refused to wear them for fear 'googleguy' would connect them to their websites.
About a decade ago, an employee of a very large PPC agency told me that he was instructed to go into forums and sow disinformation any time Google updated.
Most forums (like this one), still operate under the anonymous nickname system. Then along comes Facebook and shows the world what a 'forum' could be with identity.
Kendo: Searchwise FB cannot compete with forums.True, absolutely. Other areas are open to discussion still within the FB ecosystem, like "Lois: here is my opinion on web development blah blah, and you can check my work here [links to FB stuff]" and people can check, then like (I don't mean to sound like a FB preacher) but the likes there might have impact, at least more than on a forum, it's been a while since I see people sharing a thread on FB, vs other stuff. And this might be tied:
Brett_Tabke: Identity. Most forums (like this one), still operate under the anonymous nickname system. Then along comes Facebook and shows the world what a 'forum' could be with identity.True, and perhaps many of us from past times grew too familiar with anonymity.
csdude55: I had a very similar conversation with the local Town Manager a few years agoFunny thing is anyone can do that identity pretending on both FB and Forums. It sucks, because on FB you can find TONS of people interacting and it's just fake profiles. I'm not sure how people care so much about this on FB and not when it happens on forums, I guess it's about reach, and how most people might actually believe "yeah that's him" if it happens on FB.
Some things change from version to version (even sub-version)
Aren't YouTube videos UGC?
csdude55: Which leads to a big annoyance I've had with videos: watching a whole tutorial for 10 minutes just to discover that the model they were working on is an A or B :-/I now now the consistent practice of fast forwarding or checking the end of the video, this helps me to verify if it's the same thing, same model, or to avoid watching 10, 20 mins only to find out the guy on the vid says "ok, so I don't know what's going on, I'll post some other video when I find out", pure waste of time!, also, I jump right away to the comments for the same reasons, saves me a lot of time.
tangor: Forums are getting whiffed because G said UGC is not to be trusted... and that was more than a few years ago.Sadly the same happens on YT (like explained above).
Call it "social media", though, and everybody suddenly thinks it's something different.
they post invitations or quizzes for people to answer, and no specialized forum or community (or real life people) is taken in count. Their "market research" often involves from 15 to 25 individuals, that's way low, and the amount of data they get is very scarce, but still they build arguments and conclusions around this.
csdude55: I went to the director and expressed my concern. And was not invited back to teach the next semester :-/that sucks! Many students can't write, some can't read properly, one year ago finished editing a book (yes a book) by an architect who decided to write something and yes it's a book. I believe my IQ lost points after reading it, and I had to rewrite a lot of things. Nobody is born being a writer, but my point is many lack basic skills. A friend of my wife (university director and teacher) says she is becoming frustrated on how difficult it is for students to deal with ONE page of text, ONE... not 10, not 20... it's one page of paper with text and they complain as if they were being tortured, and mos fail on reading comprehension. No wonder! because it's now an increasingly popular practice to assign homework based on "watch this movie and write something", I've seen those texts, they go like "it's a movie about an actor who has a gun and the movie goes on with the actor and his gun and then at some point the movie gets interesting because the actor says I have a gun", and many times the teachers won't even read those things.
it was about two (2) posts on FB and counting the likes from the audience
A friend of my wife (university director and teacher) says she is becoming frustrated on how difficult it is for students to deal with ONE page of text
Just for fun, try opening this thread on your phone, start reading from the first post and see how far you get before your mind starts to wander...I've done this and at least personally my mind deals with it but I see no reason to use the phone to reply, I do that later, but I get your point. Mine goes around how silly people are doing this, same way as watching a film on the phone, or tv series, and yes they do it, a complete movie. There are many things we can do on a mobile phone, but this doesn't mean it's good, a good idea, or efficient; people who expect those results are out of their mind.
Mine goes around how silly people are doing this, same way as watching a film on the phone, or tv series, and yes they do it, a complete movie.
There are natural limits to how much something must be condensed, and people must show some effort in order to learn.
