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Google Updates and SERP Changes - August 2021

         

goodroi

11:38 am on Aug 2, 2021 (gmt 0)

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As usual, it's both entertaining and frustrating when monitoring Google's SERPs, and the performance of our sites. Google's core algorithm updates have proved interesting, to say the least.

First we had Google Core Update May 23 - June 3, 2021 [webmasterworld.com] referenced in Google Updates and SERP Changes - June 2021 [webmasterworld.com]

Before long, in July, we see a Google Core Update July 1, 2021 [webmasterworld.com] which created much more frustration and angst, with some successes, which we referenced in theGoogle Updates and SERP Changes - July 2021 [webmasterworld.com]

Without much delay we heard of a Google and Link Spam: Qualify Links for Affiliate Links or Sponsored Guest Posts Update [webmasterworld.com].

And during July we had an interesting question How long for Google to Index a New Website [webmasterworld.com]
Did you see the news that we might get a sneak look at Google's ranking algorithm. Google "About This Result" in SERPs Indicates Ranking Info [webmasterworld.com]
Most of us know about the Google search operators, and here's an overview of SEO search operators [webmasterworld.com]
Plus lots of other Google search and SEO topics [webmasterworld.com].

What are your observations on the algorithm updates/changes to the SERPs?

iamkingsleyf

4:15 pm on Aug 10, 2021 (gmt 0)



Let's see if they will do anything about it

RedBar

4:27 pm on Aug 10, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I now seem to have a random high day and a random low day. Today is a high, already double my average traffic with multiple global PVs as opposed to a low day when I get 90+% single PVs and definitely not as global.

Someone forgotten to flick the manure switch today at The Plex?

RedBar

4:28 pm on Aug 10, 2021 (gmt 0)

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@iamkingsleyf - Welcome to WebmasterWorld

philooo

8:42 pm on Aug 10, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Or it was simply that everybody is watching the Olympics and we are all F**** Paranoid :)

RedBar

10:54 am on Aug 11, 2021 (gmt 0)

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It's August, much of my global trade is on holiday etc, yesterday saw my 2nd-highest day since the beginning of March when my traffic first started to decline, 237% of current average!

Algo conflicts at The Plex?

ichthyous

1:05 pm on Aug 11, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I now seem to have a random high day and a random low day


I am seeing the same...average traffic for the most part, but then 1-2 days where traffic mysteriously plunges and less often 1 day where it soars. "Average" is still much lower than last year at this time, and that in turn was much lower than 2019. So overall, it's not great and I don't expect that traffic to ever return as organic traffic has been declining since 2018. Time to turn to other methods of sales and forget google organic search, as difficult as that may be.

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 5:56 am (utc) on Aug 12, 2021]
[edit reason] Removed off-topic "aside" which was steering entire thread off topic. [/edit]

NickMNS

3:32 pm on Aug 11, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I've been experiencing an upward trend since the July update, and since yesterday I'm seeing an even bigger increase in traffic, up 15% vs same day last week and 35% vs same day last month. This morning traffic is up between 20% and 50% vs same day last week. My traffic has now reached level not seen since before the March 2020 update.

BushyTop

7:46 am on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Thats great to hear @NickMNS - we've seen some good quality traffic the past few weeks, but this past weekend, whatever everyone felt and recorded, we're back to non geo targeted traffic, inflated bounce rates and low engagement periods.

It blows my mind how this works now. The tap on/Tap off is the best analogy there is.

ichthyous

12:21 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 5:56 am (utc) on Aug 12, 2021]
[edit reason] Removed off-topic "aside" which was steering entire thread off topic. [/edit]


Seems like anything directly critical of the scam artists at Google adwords is being edited out as being "off topic". It appears that WebmasterWorld is becoming extremely cautious and afraid of retaliation by Google. Sharing our experiences with Google adwords is far from off topic, it helps to inform the other users of the reality of the situation, especially when many people are seeing the same thing and concurring. Start censoring too many topics as being off topic and people will stop visiting this site to get the 'real story'

RareBit

2:09 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Is anyone seeing 2 results for their site in the SERPs this week? My 2nd URL appeared on Monday and is still showing - Ive not seen that for a long long time.

mzb44

2:27 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Sharing our experiences with Google adwords is far from off topic, it helps to inform the other users of the reality of the situation, especially when many people are seeing the same thing and concurring.


I get that this is the monthly serp changes thread but it's kind of also honestly the only active thread left on this forum.

Post anything "off-topic" in a separate thread and there will be 2-3 people participating maximum.

Not implying the monthly serp changes threads should be made a free for all, but a little bit of "off-topic" if it makes sense in context should be tolerated.

EditorialGuy

3:10 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Post anything "off-topic" in a separate thread and there will be 2-3 people participating maximum.

Which is another way of saying that "off-topic" posts are mainly of interest to the people who post them.

Venting may be cathartic for those who vent, but it just adds to the background noise.

mzb44

3:25 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Which is another way of saying that "off-topic" posts are mainly of interest to the people who post them.



You can glance through the general Google folder here [webmasterworld.com] and see that anything apart from the monthly main treads generally has between 1-5 posts on avg. None are venting threads.

Instead these are threads about various stuff that's usually also discussed in the monthly serp changes threads by much more people but is considered off topic.

Best example is from last months' thread were people talked for several pages about PAA but in the dedicated PAA thread only like 2-3 people posted.

NickMNS

3:37 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Best example is from last months' thread were people talked for several pages about PAA but in the dedicated PAA thread only like 2-3 people posted.

And that is question of discipline. The volunteer moderators do their best to try and keep things inline but if participants don't cooperate there is only so much one can do. Participants are lazy why follow another thread when one can have one disorganized rant about anything and everything.

The benefit of separating topics is that they are easy to find and reference at later date. Lumping everything into a big mess renders it of little value. No one is going to rummage through twenty some pages of posts to find a reference about a topic. But if that topic has it's own thread, no matter how long of short it has value.

2z7B

4:23 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)



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Our hopes for the link spam update were high, but we are still seeing a big influx of spam links.

Tons of new spam is indexed every week and our link profile is now made by more than 90% of pure spam. Impossible to balance. This triggers some kind of penalty that weakens rankings for the whole domain.

The current state of things is very sad.

christianz

5:36 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Tons of new spam is indexed every week and our link profile is now made by more than 90% of pure spam.


I am seeing same. According to ahrefs I was getting around 2000 spam backlinks per week but now I am getting over 3000.

Spammers wouldn't be doing this if it didn't work. My image referrer tracker also sees steady traffic to spam sites that hotlink my images.

Its as if there was no spam or spam link update at all.

christianz

5:41 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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So this will be my last post/visit as I become a full time youtuber and ex webmaster, best of luck to you all :)


For some websites it may make sense to move entirely to video format. But for others it makes no sense. Its as if Bill Gates told he was done with developing operating system and instead will transform Microsoft into YouTube channel. Or Wikipedia declared they will delete all pages and become a giant YouTube channel with narrated articles.

It just does not make sense. Video can't do what webapps can.

Besides - if you dedicate all your time building audience on YouTube, be careful and always remember that you don't own your YouTube audience and it can be taken from you any second for any reason (or no reason) whatsoever. And YouTube search results and recommendations are even more heavily biased towards priority media companies than web search. Although web search is, unfortunately, moving in that same direction, as long as Google has 99% market share.

mzb44

5:59 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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And that is question of discipline. The volunteer moderators do their best to try and keep things inline but if participants don't cooperate there is only so much one can do.


I understand and I agree, but I believe situations need to be adapted to how things actually are rather than to how one believes they should be in an ideal but inexistent scenario.

Or the mods can just ban everybody posting off topic and not cooperating with the ideal imagined scenario and then have a total of 3 people remain active on this site discussing between each other how great Google is and how anyone who says otherwise "just does't understand it".

mzb44

6:04 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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re: spam update and spam links showing up.

I'd just like to point out that just because someone does automated spam link attacks or spam link creation that does not mean those spam links will actually be counted by Google or that they will harm your site.

For all we know, those spammers might just be wasting their time.

christianz

6:34 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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just because someone does automated spam link attacks or spam link creation that does not mean those spam links will actually be counted by Google or that they will harm your site.

For all we know, those spammers might just be wasting their time.


I am getting flow of hits to my images from these spam sites. Clearly they are getting some level of Google traffic.

NickMNS

6:50 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I am getting flow of hits to my images from these spam sites

You should block hot-linking of your images it will put an immediate stop to the spam. It is a relatively easy fix and will help reduce wasted bandwidth and potentially improve your ranking.

christianz

6:55 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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You should block hot-linking of your images it will put an immediate stop to the spam.


I have blocked it already (since ~2 weeks ago) and they won't stop. Maybe it will take time until the spammer/spammers notice that my images return 403 Forbidden. I still count the requests, just to keep track of how much traffic they are getting and what domains they are using (lots of ***.blogspot.com).

Many of those sites don't even hotlink - they use thumbnail images generated and hosted by Google Images. They just backlink to my original images/pages.

NickMNS

7:08 pm on Aug 12, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I have blocked it already (since ~2 weeks ago) and they won't stop.

If its blocked then it's blocked. Are the requests returning the 403 response? If so then your done. Google will no longer count the link as it is dead with 403 response. The requests may continue for a while from those spam websites as I doubt they would bother to clean up the dead links. But here again you server is serving a 403 response not an image, so you should already be saving the band width.

It will take a few month for Google to crawl and account for the changes in the index, in my case I saw a rankings improvement after about 3 or 4 month (I have a very big website). Also, there is no guarantee that my improvement is attributable to the blocking of the hotlinks.

Final thought, have you tested that the blocking is working as expected?

amitjat

5:42 am on Aug 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Yes, we also notice some drop in our health niche client

Martin Ice Web

10:28 am on Aug 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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After 3 days of normal traffic with lots of sales, we got hit yesterday in the evening again ( -50%).
And it feels like a punch in the tomach while google sends every day an email with 120 EUR for free ads to accquire NEW cumstomers.
So with start of this updates we see constant climbing sales on amazon. Its now an increase up to +200% for our own items.

Our vertical is full of outdated shops. Feels like back in the 90s.

yollo03

12:38 pm on Aug 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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I have a theory that the tap on / tap off of organic traffic is based on impressions. When you reach a certain amount of impressions you get shut off (for those that are affected by it). Those that are experiencing it, can you look into impressions and see if you find a pattern?

RedBar

1:57 pm on Aug 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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@yollo03

Are you referring to the long-held suggestion of a traffic ceiling?

In my case it's not XX PVs and stop, I have:

80+% Multiple page view visitors from many countries

or

90+% Single page view visitors from far fewer countries

It doesn't happen gradually, it happens immediately "G does something" and, similarly, when it's flicked again, normal traffic.

FWIW considering I expected my lowest traffic of the year this month apart from Xmas week, I am now on my 4th day of what I would have described as my old normal holiday traffic ... averaging 150% of last week.!.!.!

Normal it is not.

Here's a question ... This has been happening for so long now I wonder if G even KNOWS it is occurring?

renatovieira

7:03 pm on Aug 13, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Very big drop today.

shadowlight

11:20 am on Aug 14, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Seems like anything directly critical of the scam artists at Google adwords is being edited out as being "off topic". It appears that WebmasterWorld is becoming extremely cautious and afraid of retaliation by Google. Sharing our experiences with Google adwords is far from off topic, it helps to inform the other users of the reality of the situation, especially when many people are seeing the same thing and concurring.


Google adwords is absolutely 100% on topic of Google SERP updates & changes as the Majority of G updates these days are all about G maximizing paid clicks & minimizing organic clicks in order to maximize their revenue & profits.

ichthyous

7:49 pm on Aug 14, 2021 (gmt 0)

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A 32% drop in USA traffic from 8am this morning, but search and direct traffic appear normal. It appears to be coming from lower traffic via referral links and social media. Perhaps people are just out enjoying their summer Saturday. Sales have been awful this entire summer...non-existent really, and also hearing that it's quiet from friends in other niches not related to mine. Coincidentally, CNBC reported the largest drop in US consumer sentiment since 2011 - [cnbc.com...]



[edited by: not2easy at 8:09 pm (utc) on Aug 14, 2021]
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