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Font Size of H4 tag Greater than H1 Tag

.... inviting trouble?

         

getxb

5:44 pm on Sep 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I just came across a PR7 site (ranking very high in some nicely competitive keywords in popular search engines) where I found the keyword stuffed Page Description (not meta desc) displayed just below the Page header (in all the main pages) is written in H1 tag. Scrolled down a bit and found some texts written in H4 tags. No issues till here. But when I saw the main CSS file I found the font size of H1 tag is 8px while that of H4 is 10px. Generally the font size of H1 tag should be greater than H5 tag, isn't it.

What are the pros and cons? Is this black hat? Please shed some light.

Marshall

5:51 pm on Sep 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Generally the font size of H1 tag should be greater than H5 tag, isn't it.

Yes, by default, but as you noted, you can override it with CSS. As far as search engines are concerned, an <h1> tag is just and <h1> tag regardless of CSS. However, this seems really dumb to make the <h1> tag so small for human use. Is it black hat? Kind of, IMHO, since it would be difficult for a human to read. Would I do it? No.

Marshall

dibbern2

7:03 pm on Sep 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I've done this and my reasoning was such: the h2 on my pages is a large headline. The h1 is a small type lead-in to the main head.

I wanted to preserve what I thought was correct usage, i.e., always begin with an h1 and work down the page in sequence with subsequent h tags.

Thats not black hat, just another interpretation of good html. (IMHO)

getxb

5:52 pm on Sep 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your replies. But am bit confused here. I am fond of playing with HTML and CSS as well. But from the very beginning I have been taught to keep the font sizes in the following order: H1 > H2 > H3 > ...

I still have this feeling that if someone (bots cant read CSS files I guess) from Google visits the page and sees that H1 tags are displayed in a normal font size just for SEO purposes, it will be considered as a wrong manipulation of HTML header tags and not enough credits will be awarded. Or is it?

Say if I write an article inside H4 tags will it be a good approach.

Please suggest.

Marshall

6:33 pm on Sep 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Say if I write an article inside H4 tags will it be a good approach.

IMHO - Bad idea! Regardless of it's font size, <h> still stands for heading and a heading (normally) would contain only a few words.

You might find this post [webmasterworld.com] interesting.

There is also the accessibility issue from this post [webmasterworld.com].

Braille readers and speech synthesizers emphasize things depending on the tag. As such, <b> has a different connotation than <strong>. They see <b> as a bolded word and <strong> as an important word.

With the <H> tag, they should follow a specific order within the category they cover. Say your category has header section and four subsections and your first <H> tag is <H2>. The next for the subsections should be <H3> or something smaller: <H4>, <H5> or <H6>. All the subsections can be the same <H> tag, but you shouldn't go <H3> then <H4> then back to <H3> because it will interpret the <H4> as a new section. Make sense? Since I tend to give visual examples - I use to be a teacher among other things - it goes like this:
TOPIC-
<H2>
<H3>
<H3>
<H4>
NEW TOPIC -
<H2>
<H3>
<H4>
<H5>
and so on....

WAI also emphasizes not to use <H> tags merely to bold things.

And last, from this post [webmasterworld.com]

If you look at the tags from a "human" perspective, you could compare them to a book. An <h1> would represent the title of a chapter while <h2>-<h6> represents the sub-chapters as in a Table Of Contents.
If you are looking for something specific, you first go to the chapter, but it is the sub-chapter where you will find exactly what you want. Does this make an <h1> tag less important? I cannot say for sure, but IMHO, if sny SE looks at a page as a human would, I believe the 2-6 tags are more specific to search and finding what you want.

Marshall