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Problems with Yahoo / Google email filtering

e.g. Google Calendar reminders go into spam

         

Clark

12:36 am on Jan 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Dealing with spam is a huge problem. But there are some basics you expect to be handled better by now by the engines.

Yahoo mail:
For several years now, I have a few scripts that send me 20-30 action items that I rely on daily to handle daily tasks. Worked great all this time. A couple weeks ago, the emails stopped arriving. It doesn't go into the bulk folder. It doesn't come back to the server as undeliverable. I have no way to whitelist the address. It just disappeared. I moved to my gmail account and it works again..at least for now.

Gmail:
Even worse. I put a note in my calendar for a daily task that I have a reminder set. The reminder goes to my gmail. gmail puts in the bulk folder. Talk about a false positive. I would have thought that gmail can tell when google generates the email themselves.

bill

5:33 am on Jan 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

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The first problem is you're relying on a free service with no contractual support agreements. It's hard to complain too much. ;) Even your ISP or hosting account's mail service is preferable to the free services because of this.

If this mail is in any way important to your livelihood it would be better to run it through a paid e-mail provider. Use a Bayesian filtering system that you can train like POPFile and store the mail on your local machine.

If you're still keen on the idea of having the Gmail or Yahoo webmail interface you could still forward copies of mail to these accounts as a backup.

Clark

4:31 pm on Jan 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It's not really a complaint about them not offering me good email. I have total flexibility to switch from one to another and I use many apps. I'm not relying on Y! or G for my living. I have several dedicated servers, pay a company to handle certain type of email and use all these services extensively.

The Yahoo thing does concern me though because if my server's emails don't arrive to Yahoo, that means some of my customers who use my webapps may not get the emails either.

The reason I posted here is that I know both Yahoo and Google watch this forum and I was hoping it could prompt them to fix the bugs.

bill

8:44 am on Jan 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Then it's a question of just how much Yahoo and Google learn from the spam that is reported. My experience has shown me that it's not all that much for individual accounts. They may be learning on an aggregate scale for all their users' spam, but I'm not really sure that applies to each account. Something I consider spam you might want in your inbox.

I've done my fair share of reporting spam and removing real messages from the trash of both Yahoo and Gmail accounts. Sometimes it seems that they never learn. Gmail at least seems to be making efforts in the right direction with this. I've nearly given up on Yahoo in this regard.

Clark

8:19 pm on Jan 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I agree with almost everything you said. But it amazes me that they don't let us have a whitelist for our own emails and that they don't whitelist their own domains. If I were them, that would embarrass me.

bill

5:58 am on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I really used to like Hotmail's settings. They used to have an option where you would only receive mail from addresses in your contact list. For years my Hotmail account was the cleanest one I had. I can't seem to find that setting anymore. That was the ultimate white-list.

Gmail and Yahoo do white-list their own domains to a certain extent. They both use DomainKeys to sign outgoing mail. I know that Gmail uses SPF, but I'm not sure that Yahoo does. These measures alone should improve the relevancy of their filters, or at least allow them to raise flags for user action. The problem with both of these systems is that the user doesn't get to fiddle with the advanced areas of the use of these technologies.

piatkow

3:48 pm on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I have come across a number of cases on non-delivery of automated messages from fault reporting systems not being delivered by Hotmail and Yahoo.

Clark

8:46 am on Jan 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

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That's good to know. Hmm, maybe I should double check if my domain got on a blacklist just to be sure. Anyone know how to do that?