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Being your own competition

When your forum begins to kick your website out of the SERPS

         

jecasc

7:17 am on Sep 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I am running into a little problem lately. I have a website that brings good Adsense revenue with lots of unique content. The positions in the Search Engines are all very good. And I have a forum on this website which is very popular and grows by a rate of about 150 entries a day.

Lately I have noticed that entries on my forum begin to take over positions on the search engines which where formerly being held by content of my website. So more and more visitors are going directly to the forum - which is a bad thing for my Adsense revenue since for whatever reason the click through rate on forums in general are only a friction of that on normal websites and my forum is no exception here.

So what should I do? Deliberately sabotage the rankings of my forum? Move the forum to a different server? Try to cash in somehow on the increase of forum visitors? But how?

vincevincevince

7:35 am on Sep 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Are your website visitors going down? Or just the SERPs?

It is possible that what your forum is is a SERPetitor and not a competitor, i.e. someone who uses space in the SERPs you target but doesn't necessarily steal your target users.

Or, to put it another way:

Ten people walk down the street, five vegetarians and five full-blooded meat lovers. Your meaty-grill cafe will be absolutely unaffected by the brand new leaf-and-tofu cafe opening next door. Even if the rabbit-food cafe grabs 100% of their potential customers (5), they're still not going to affect your chances of bagging the meat-lovers.

jecasc

8:52 am on Sep 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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The problem is that my forum is competing on several topics with my website and now the forum pages begin to take over the place that used to be occupied by my website in the SERPs. You will find for example detailed information about Visa regulations for a specific country on my website and information about the same topic from my forum visitors in the forum.

On my website visitors used to check out several of the Visa services that advertise via Adsense after reading the information I provide. In the forum they will ignore the advertisements and check out the VISA services other users recommend. Which are usually the same that advertise because there are only five or six around. But nobody clicks the ads in the forum.

This is only one example it's the same with several other topics.

vincevincevince

9:09 am on Sep 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps a 'no external links' policy on the forum, something like you have here with WebmasterWorld?

caveman

3:39 pm on Sep 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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How big is the forum in relation to the rest of the site in terms of:
- Total pages?
- Pageviews?
- Percent of inbound links versus rest of the site?

JS_Harris

6:00 am on Sep 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

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And thats why many forums are hosted as subdomains.

forums.example.com won't compete with www.example.com, they are treated as seperate domains. Many advertisers also prefer this because its easy to seperate forum traffic from main site traffic.

If a subdomain isn't an option as a permanent solution I would shift a lot of pagerank from the forums back to your regular articles by using a "similar articles" type of feature. example : at the bottom of every forum page place 5 related links back to articles on your main site. It's not just a pagerank dump but it may actually get forum members to check out the main site more too.

jecasc

6:55 am on Sep 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

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How big is the forum in relation to the rest of the site in terms of:
- Total pages?
- Pageviews?
- Percent of inbound links versus rest of the site?

The forum has now 10 times the number of pages as my website.
About 30% of the pageviews go to the forum.

And of course the forum is growing much faster than the website. The forum has about 2500 active users which make about 150 entries per day. No way I can compete with that much output.

caveman

4:17 pm on Sep 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Personally I think JS_Harris is on the right track. If you are willing to potentially suffer a short term rankings decline in the forum's traffic, consider moving it to a subdomain off the main domain: forum.example.com/

You should do a global 301 so all the pages from the existing forum URL's are 301 redirected over to their new locations at the subdomain. That should help minimize rankings drops for the forum pages.

The value in placing the forum on a subdomain is outlined in JS_Harris' post. Beyond that, it should be the case that the forum pages will no longer push the main site's pages out of the SERP's...indeed you may see pages from both co-existing in some SERP's, which is a great way to build your brand presence/awareness. Then I would link in limited ways to the forum from the main site, but place more links from the forum back to the main site.

londrum

8:12 pm on Sep 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

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you could also just accept the fact that the majority of your traffic is going to come in through your forum (which has the potential to keep on growing as your forum grows) and start promoting your main site better from the forum.
promote it heavily.
presumably your forum pages have some decent page rank if they are outranking your main site. so try and share a bit of that across.