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National Ecommerce Website with Local Dealers

         

thejimster

11:08 pm on Aug 6, 2015 (gmt 0)

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My client has signed an exclusive national agreement that ensures him the rights to be the only e-commerce retailer for a manufacturer in the United States.

We also get paid to increase our local dealer's online presence (and sales). <-- This is the easiest way for us to increase sales quickly. Putting local SEO in place and having feet on the ground to make big ticket sales.

I'm wondering the best way to go about handling this agreement, so that it benefits my client, the manufacturer and their dealers.

We have the option to either help the dealers with their current websites, online marketing, etc. Or build them a NEW website (that my client will own), or build a "national" website that has a page for each dealer with their NAP.

This niche really isn't up to speed with SEO because there really isn't a whole lot of competition in virtually any decent sized city across the US. I say this because it brings up the point that most of them haven't worked on their local citations or really built any links, etc.

My client wants to build separate websites for each dealer and specifically SEOed for their market. I know this will work and that we can get the dealer traffic relatively easy. The difficult part of this strategy is producing non-duplicate content, and eventually managing dozens (or 100+) websites eventually. Nightmare.

My proposed strategy is to create a "national" e-commerce website that has a single page for each dealer with their NAP, etc. The problem with this strategy is that I'm wondering how difficult it will be to rank for a multitude of keywords in each city, when only one page is optimized specifically for that city. Will search engines rank our website where out dealers are located because they know we have a dealer in that city?

My biggest concern is getting more traffic to our local dealers quickly. Not building a national e-commerce website that ranks well.

What would be you guy's approach to this situation? Thanks in advance.

wheel

7:03 pm on Sep 30, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Can I hijack your thread? (Please?)

I'm doing something very similiar. I rank on competitive national industry terms, but am moving towards a wholesaler model. I'll be recruiting independent local reps, and one sales point will be local seo - but driven to my website. So I want to set up a page on my site for each local rep, and have that page rank in the locals.

So here's the question, In additiion to doing local link building to the page and all that stuff, should I have the reps set up a google + page and verify their address? And inside their google + page, set their page on my website to be their 'official page' with Google? Will that work? And get the pin sent to their address?

My concern is that most reps will already have a website of some type set up, so my page will be competing with that in the serps. However my site has way more ranking power, so subject to their approval I want Google to see my site as the official one to rank in the locals.

thejimster

12:13 pm on Oct 1, 2015 (gmt 0)

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Ha, well I don't think we were getting anywhere here... :)

I've also thought about doing the same with Google+ pages. Would be interested to hear some feedback from people who have tried this.

Robert Charlton

4:47 am on Oct 2, 2015 (gmt 0)

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In response to both posters... a problem with selling positions on any national type site is that Google generally will rank only two pages from a domain for a given query. So you couldn't offer a company a page of its own if you expected to rank more than two pages for each "placename widgets" search.

To take on more than two clients per placename, you have to turn the site into a directory, and Google, as we've seen in many verticals, has for some years now been resistant to most directory models. Some sites like Yelp do well, because of user-generated content and because of the essential differences among city businesses at a very granular level, but many don't.

The problem with this strategy is that I'm wondering how difficult it will be to rank for a multitude of keywords in each city, when only one page is optimized specifically for that city.

This gets into repetitious content pretty quickly, where the only thing that changes is the placename and maybe some material about the location lifted from Wikipedia. Essentially, you're building doorway pages... and I do think that Google doesn't want these, even though some such pages, in noncompetitive areas, can hang on for many months.

In the Google SEO forum in our supporters section, we observed some doorways that ranked for about 8 months. The site in question targeted maybe a half-dozen or so keyword combinations per city/ small-town in its list.

I should add that there are many reasons why I've advised clients not to go with SEO companies offering either model described in the first post. In general, I think that SEO in limited niches gets inbred pretty quickly... you either run out of ideas for content, or you run out of linking approaches. With niche SEO companies, you ultimately end up with cookie-cutter content that has a dreadful sameness to it.

A company running a franchise is somewhat different from an SEO company, but you're still faced with some of the same tasks. A national site offers some advantages if dealers have exclusivity of territory and/or are cooperating rather than competing.

If you're the exclusive e-commerce retailer, I would think you'd have to have a back end that would send customers to local physical stores based on some kind of internal search (distance or zip-code based), posting information about who has what in stock... and that you might have an arrangement something like Target's. But those stores really don't have separate identities. Business model inevitably enters into it.

I once optimized a chain of something like 16 hotels under common sales management but otherwise separately owned and highly individual, in the same metro area, and at a certain point I insisted the we draw up a spreadsheet and give each hotel only one or two preferences... because it was really impossible, with roughly the same approach, to do an even-handed job for all of them.

Lots of good, well-edited user-generated content, as I noted above, with unique things to say about each place (or about businesses within a location) is probably the only way around the sameness you'd get in either the directory or the separate site approach.... but those approaches really don't handle e-commerce.

thejimster

2:39 pm on Oct 2, 2015 (gmt 0)

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My client actually already ended up deciding to build separate websites for each dealer. We'll (I will) deal with the headaches later I guess...:/

Our dealers do have exclusive territories, so there really isn't competition between dealers.

In the Google SEO forum in our supporters section, we observed some doorways that ranked for about 8 months. The site in question targeted maybe a half-dozen or so keyword combinations per city/ small-town in its list.

That's interesting. In my niche, I've seen pages like this rank for over 2 years.

Lots of good, well-edited user-generated content, as I noted above, with unique things to say about each place (or about businesses within a location) is probably the only way around the sameness you'd get in either the directory or the separate site approach.... but those approaches really don't handle e-commerce.

It's pretty tough to get user-generated content my niche. Also, as far as combating the "sameness", we're adding dealers at a relatively slow pace, so crafting a solid "About Us" style page for each dealer wouldn't be that difficult. But as I mentioned before, we're already building a separate site for each dealer..

Thanks for the input. I've been waiting for those doorway style pages in my niche to take a beating, but they just haven't.