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Link development and the sale or nonsale of a site

Should I keep or sell my site

         

lfgoal

3:33 am on Apr 28, 2020 (gmt 0)

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It's been years since I've posted at WebmasterWorld.

Background:

I sold a site in 2010 to what was then Internet Brands. I kept another site that I continued to work on for the next ten years and it has, by and large, been ok income productive. However, it has taken repeated hits from google updates the last couple of years. As of September 2019, the site has been in freefall and I can't figure out what's wrong. This dive has occurred concurrent with changes I made to the site, as well as issues involving my hosting service that actually got me booted from Bing, Yahoo, and Duckduckgo (now back in). Those SEs don't matter much, of course, in terms of traffic but it is still annoying that I rank on page one above the fold for my main keywords on those engines, and am barely visible on google.

Bringing us up to now:

My traffic and earnings have dived further with the onset of covid-19 since many of my potential users are probably not doing the activity that takes them to a site like mine. I was like meh, I'll wait it out.

Lo and behold, I get approached with an offer to buy the site. The offer is 3x last year's earnings, which is too low; however, I am tempted b/c I am now sort of sick of everything (been doing this since 2003 and made enough to pay off a house, wipe out all debt, and fund my retirement portofolio with the sale of my other site in 2010 mainly).

Now, the acquistion guy for the company that approached me sees value in my site, says the traffic was good until 9/2019, and says his team is good at rebounding traffic on otherwise good sites. But...he also said this: "I do not expect even my team will be able to rebound to those prior traffic levels without serious investment (5 figures a month) in link building, and we just need to play that out after we can start making our tweaks."

True, years ago I spent considerable time and effort in link development, and don't do it now. But my site has several thousand good previously acquired links, some from .gov sources. And...a prominent authority told me that I have enough links and not to worry about getting more. Rather, to focus on content.

Questions:

1. Am I to believe that someone pouring buckets of cash into gettting links will fix this site?
2. IMO, spending 5 figures monthly means using guys in India to do link development because legit link building is labor intensive and so India is the place.
3. Is this guy trying to scare me into thinking the only way to save the site is to spend oodles of cash, which they are willing to do?
4. I thought big link building campaigns were passe and too risky because newly appearing links tripped wires with Google.
5. I once knew of someone who does this type of expensive link building but they are out of that biz. Suggestions?
6. Lastly, any ideas or insights about this situation? I am teetering between wanting to sell this site and wanting to find a way to improve it and hold on to it. What I don't want to do is spend more years beating my head against a wall.

Thanks for any input.

JesterMagic

11:07 am on Apr 28, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Not a bad situation to be in. I think dealing with Google, you (and the rest of us) will continue to beat our heads against the wall as they continue to take real estate away from organic search. With the reduced space in the results thanks to more Google Bloat and with the new twist of the pandemic you may want to sell (this does depend on the niche you server though)

5 Figures is a LOT of money to spend per month in India. Not that I am an expert in black hat linking techniques but I have a feeling this type of money is spent more for webmasters with paid links in articles.

Google will eventually figure out their scheme but it can take years so it may be worth it for them.

lfgoal

5:40 pm on Apr 28, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Jester,

They don't seem like the type who would buy links per se and endanger their investment. According to their linkedin page, they are a "performance internet marketing agency. We provide customer acquisition and digital campaign management services for law firms nationwide." The acquistion guy that contacted me was himself acquired (sold his site) for a 7 figure purchase amount. This is basically what happened to me in 2010.

My current site would not fetch 7 figures, maybe just a low 6 figure amount. The tradeoff with selling it is that on the bright side I don't have to mess with it anymore, and I can move on to something else. The downside is that this is basically my job; been doing this kind of site since 2003 and I don't really have anything to move on to.

On the other hand, better to get something before it becomes nothing.

On the other hand from that...wouldn't it nice if I could figure out how to fix my site. I have consulted with a person who is a known expert on SEO and link matters (many of you guys are aware of him) but his best idea was to rewrite content. Ok, that's thousands of pages and I'm not convinced of that, simply because most of my competitors have content that is not as good. I have more time on page per visitor, more pages consumed per visitor, and a lower bounce rate. But Google does not seem to like my site for many key phrase and yet it is still slightly competitive for others. And I don't know why. The acquisition guy's focus on links brought me here to ask questions.

JesterMagic

6:58 pm on Apr 28, 2020 (gmt 0)

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I have been doing this since 2003 as well :-) It has been a long an interesting road.

Since you have run several successful websites I am assuming you have done all the obvious things like a Responsive Theme, Decent Speed, https, etc...

I find "rewrite the content" is a stock kind of answer for most SEO's. If you already have excellent content that's not outdated then you are probably okay there.

The only sure fire way I know to increase traffic is getting inbound links and that is obviously extremely difficult now days. I myself did some link building in the early days (nothing considered black hat) but haven't done much myself recently and relied on getting links organically with good content. (not that it has worked out very well these last few years). Spending that much money I wouldn't know what else he was doing but sending out emails looking for paid links (wouldn't mind knowing what others think about what they would be doing).

It would be nice if we could figure out how to fix our sites but sometimes it is not something you necessarily did. 2 years ago things started to change for my site. 2 things happened, I got a lot more competition from major media brands who started to write content that competes with mine and Google all of a sudden seemed to favor these large media brands over smaller niche players. Within a month a large number of my keywords dropped from the first page to the second page. I have been trying to fix things ever since... or better yet improve things as I don't think I was doing anything really wrong. It was just Google changing their ranking criteria.

It's hard to say what to do... I find with Google, most sites traffic are either trending up or down. It never remains the same. It's basically a coin flip if you have an established site.

In the mean time I would setup some experiments on your site. Keep the majority of your site the same but take some pages that use to perform really well and do some changes and track how they perform. For example you can try:

- Refreshing content. The content may be high quality but maybe Google assumes since it has not been updated in a while it may be outdated. (I've had mixed results with this)
- Add structured data
- Update the title of the content (I found a few times having the page title different from the H1 title actually made a difference)
- Increase/decrease the number of links in your content to outside content
- Add/Move/Delete advertising
- Add a byline for Authors (if you don't have one all ready)
- etc...

lfgoal

7:43 pm on Apr 28, 2020 (gmt 0)

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Jester, thanks for the well-considered responses. Yes, it has been a very long and interesting road. The site is responsive, https, all that. Most of the content was written for desktop readers and so even what used to be short paragraphs can long insanely long on mobile. So, I have been working on cutting content and getting to the point quicker. More use of H2 to try to tell spiders and google "hey look at this", it's relevant to the query, as well as breaking up pages into more digestible bites.

Refreshing content: it has resulted in short temporary bounces, doesn't stick long. Titles and H1s are often different. Don't link to outside content much but have tried Brett Tabke's advice to link to outside experts in your field, but nothing gained from that.

Link confession: haven't done link building in...years. Maybe that's part of the problem. I used to believe more in links and spent many hundreds of hours in the 2000's mining for email addresses to build solicitation lists to send individualized letters requesting links. I have no idea how many thousands of emails I sent, but I think I got up to a 3 percent return/sucess rate on it. I think today it would be much much lower. Myself, if I see those emails I send them straight to the garbage.

I can't see myself doing that today because the work to return ratio would be very very bad (I assume).

Additional thoughts? Also, ideas for link building if I don't do it the old fashioned way of digging through other people's back links and looking for email addresses to send requests to?