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Question about top spot bidding

         

JacksonMahoney

7:21 pm on Mar 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Question, ok, so its me and another guy bidding for one keyword. I am currently bidding a max CPC of $76/click. My quality score is GREAT 9/10. He is on the left side, I am on the right. Does this mean he is bidding/paying more than $76?

Bear in mind there are no other competitors. Currently, I am paying .10/click for 2nd ad spot ranking at my min CPC bid of $76.

My click thru rate is garbage cause everyone clicks his ad instead of mine, because he is on the left side. Just wondering if this is a lost cause or what your guys thoughts are on this.

avalon37

8:24 pm on Mar 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Is this a trademarked keyword? If so, is it his trademark word? Even if it is, bidding aggressively as it sounds like you are should ensure you appear in the top horizontal spots. When did you start doing this? It could be you are stuck on the right hand side because your ad copy is still awaiting approval.

MadeWillis

8:30 pm on Mar 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Write better ads and be sure you are using google ad preview when visually checking your position. If you improve your CTR, it becomes much easier to overtake position 1.

MadeWillis

8:47 pm on Mar 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I should also add that sometimes when you test new ad copy, your ads get pushed up a little higher in the list. I guess sort of as a test of the new ad. This is a good way to improve CTR with new ads. Continue to test and remove underperforming ads.

eWhisper

3:02 pm on Mar 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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My click thru rate is garbage cause everyone clicks his ad instead of mine, because he is on the left side.

CTR used in quality score is normalized by position. You aren't penalized for not being in the top positions.

To be in the top positions, your ad has to have a minimum on the major QS factors (landing page, CTR, relevancy (keyword/ad copy)).

JacksonMahoney

3:41 pm on Mar 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Yeah I don't care about being top spot, I was more wondering that If I am bidding $99, which I am now, is the guy above me paying somewhere in the range of $89/click, which he should be. Using the formula the Google guy said,

My QS is a 9 * 99 (my max cpc) = 891
891/10 (his QS) = $89/click

Unless something super shady is going on, because I doubt he can afford that, but he's still ahead of me nonetheless.

So, I was just wondering, either left side sponsered ads don't factor into the equation, or this guy is spending like $80K/day, or its all B.S.

[edited by: JacksonMahoney at 3:53 pm (utc) on Mar. 17, 2009]

eWhisper

4:00 pm on Mar 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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There are a few other possibilities.

One is that if one ad does not meet all of the min requirements for the top spot, and there's an open top spot - Google will 'leapfrog' one advertiser over another to be in this position.

The second is that geo CTR is taken into account. You could be in position 1 in one area and position 3 in another. The ad preview tool will help clarify that.

There are even a few other possibilities as well, but the top 2 spring to mind first.

smallcompany

5:29 pm on Mar 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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My click thru rate is garbage cause everyone clicks his ad instead of mine, because he is on the left side.

Who's display URL is in better correlation with that keyword?

Are you both affiliates?