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Adsense without cookies

Is there a way to provide visitors a cookie free experience?

         

explorador

5:04 pm on Jan 31, 2021 (gmt 0)

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Hellow webmasters. I'm not aware of this being discussed before, correct me if I'm wrong.

My website are NOT using cookies, they are cookie-free, decently optimized, fast and concise. The result is a nice experience to the user because since the first click (on a Search Engine result) they get to see the content right away, FAST. Visitors are happy, the server resources are also respected and we are all happy, there is nothing like a fast website using very little resources on your server, after all everyone hates waiting. Besides my websites provide a "one click away" experience, meaning you don't have to click on stuff to get what you want, you just get there from the search engine result, or perhaps just one more click away but no more. This is a fundamental principle discussed many years ago on this forum: -don't add more clicks to the user than needed-.

But there is a problem: advertising.I can only control what's served from my server/CMS, and I have no control over third party content such as advertising. I have removed all third party stuff: like buttons, stats, pixels and even advertising. My websites are not showing Adsense anymore. The result is an even faster experience even on low speed connections, I love it, visitors also love it. The impact is quite noticeable because despite the "high speed connections" nowadays, people ARE NOW GETTING USED TO an average load time (that include third party stuff), so whenever they visit a site below that time, they actually blink and say "what? done? well that was fast".

Yes, third party slow stuff and intrusion are now a big part of the everyday web life, so much, high speed connections don't exactly show the best they can do.

The ugly present panorama: content is clicks away, whenever people get to the websites they are shown banners and warnings asking them to make a choice, and so they have to select "yes I agree" to the use of cookies, or a rejection. Besides extra clicks and a terrible user experience, this also involves scripts on your side informing or sending a signal to advertising systems in order to change the adserving methods (IF such thing is available), it's not like "oh they don't want cookies, ok, so then let's serve our cookie-free set of ads". I agree on privacy, but this kind of thing shouldn't be taking place. After all, if some advertising sevice can provide cookie free ads: they should be doing it full time already (just my opinion).

I honestly don't want to do any of that, and this is not out of lazyness:
  • I don't want to install banners or warnings forcing people to click on agree or disagree
  • I don't want to then send information to third party services so they can serve a different set of ads with diff methods
  • I don't want to provide banners stating "there is no option, cookies here, like it or leave"
  • While not perfect, I was considering a small message allowing people to choose "with ads or without ads", this way Adsense code will be shown, or won't be served AT-ALL, I can do this via my CMS, no problem, but... I know, who would say "yes, ads please".

    Back to the point: Google Adsense / Advertising.
  • I want to keep my websites cookie free
  • I want to avoid users having to click on anything to give consent or make a choice
  • I honestly refuse to implement stuff that works for the advertising systems

    It's not a rant, I just don't agree with this and I would be an hipocrit implementing this as I already hate it when I visit sites when I'm researching, and let's be honest, advertising is bringing just pennies so just thinking about too much work around this makes me feel like I work for those companies... for free.

    So wrapping up this: it would be great if there is such a way, that I can continue with my websites cookie-free style, and TAKE AWAY their option of agreeing or disagreeing on cookies, in the sense that the default will be NO COOKIES, and so I could configure adsense so only no-cookie ads would be served. This means I'm not actually taking away anything or any choice from visitors, I'm saving them the hassle. I read somewhere that Google is already working, researching on how to serve ads without cookies. Well they can do that already, the issue are not cookies, the challenge is how to profile people without cookies, that requires extra work. Some people believe this extra work is acceptable for us to do it, I refuse. We are already not just providing, we are mostly giving up space for advertising, often showing stuff that we don't like or approve, and their methods for ads revision are quite a waste of time, not to mention you have to keep doing this over and over.

    The extension of the post is just to try to be clear on what one thing or the other mean.
  • matbennett

    9:50 am on Feb 1, 2021 (gmt 0)

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    The short answer: The solution you are looking for is "Limited ads". This is Google cookie-less ad solution. I don't think I am allowed to post a link here, but we wrote this up last week on the OKO blog. It's very new, it's very beta and performance is not great. It'll likely improve as the cookie situation continues to develop though.

    Alternatively you could sell advertising directly.

    However, if you are that anti-advertising and it is only bringing in "pennies" why not just lose the ads completely?

    explorador

    12:41 pm on Feb 1, 2021 (gmt 0)

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    @matbennet, thanks, if possible send me the link, I'm interested on reading what you mention. Direct advertising is something I've done in the past and while it was never my goal: it's fast, simple, profitable and practical allowing me control of what I post, besides it replaces one or two units of other ads. The only problem with this is getting the clients and closing the deal, that's not that easy and it's a long separate topic.

    I'm not anti-advertising exactly, it's described above (I'm clueless on why the question as it was posted, as the SEVERAL factors were detailed above), it's the user experience, mostly. And yes, I'm 100% add free by now. As explained on other threads, advertising o Adsense was never the goal (so NO MFA), but eventually placing ads was an opportunity that paid well and wasn't as intrusive or slow, now it is.

    matbennett

    12:57 pm on Feb 1, 2021 (gmt 0)

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    I'll PM you a link to some info on limited ads.

    Direct ads always result in less layers of tech and a larger share of the sale price for the publisher. It comes with overhead though - there is a reason the complex programmatic system exists.

    explorador

    1:52 pm on Feb 1, 2021 (gmt 0)

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    Thanks matbennett. Just read the article. Cool.

    In general I can say a few things. Advertising is good, it promotes business, products and there is a benefit for the publisher and also for the users, but many times (I don't have the link to this old thread), it can produce lazyness on the publishers creating an opportunity for systems to proliferate, this has been discussed a few times specially on Adsense threads, but it's been a while since deep discussions take place, most nowadays are about "I'm earning 10% compared to last month, what about you?". I don't blame them, the system doesn't work as in the past but my point here is, many websites have actually sold their souls and as they are, will keep loosing profit because anyway, they are not bringing anything new to the user, even the presence of such automated ads scares away any potential clients.

    I just agree with some older forum member on Adsense and other alike systems mean too much sacrifice on our own websites, might sound weird to some, but it's just that we have diff views (and websites).

    Right now... I don't exactly want to close doors with Google Adsense, but I don't want to show any ads (and I'm not doing it, I'm ad free), but getting such accounts sounds difficult these days, and if I don't show ads for X period of time (around 6 months) my account will be closed. I'm not too optimistic on where Adsense will go in the following months, but it's good to keep the doors open in case things improve. After all I do want what most decent webmasters want: a nice, relevant and useful website providing a good user experience.

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    But... and I will take some space to expand this...

    I posted my opinion on this on other threads. Advertising income is really low compared to the kind of traffic you have to keep daily, that's fine, I get it. But I don't fully understand how demanding people have become (mostly out of lazyness) regarding advertising income. Most cases are doing so bad with low earnings, they could bake one chocolate cake per month and sell it fully replacing replacing their "ad business". On other cases they just need to sell 2 cakes and that's it.

    Things get more interesting when we consider the skills needed to create and manage websites, and most people refuse to sell those or monetize them in some way, this is contradicting as it prooves somehow their low income via advertising. I believe our own ad space could be used to sell our own services and skills, this can work for some, not for everyone. On the cases where this works, ugly slow ads are something to be removed quickly.

    matbennett

    3:47 pm on Feb 1, 2021 (gmt 0)

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    "Advertising income is really low compared to the kind of traffic you have to keep daily, that's fine,"

    I couldn't disagree more. Advertising consistently provides the highest yield for the KIND OF TRAFFIC you have to keep. Not necessarily the VOLUME of it. Advertising can potentially monetize every visit. A tightly targeted affiliate or lead gen site can earn more per visit, but each visit is higher effort.

    I've worked with many sites earning 6, 7 and even 8-figure advertising revenue annually. That would be pretty expensive cakes ;) If they could have earned more per visit for the same traffic they would have. Advertising is mass medium monetisation. There is not reason it has to be the only channel though or even the right one for every project.

    explorador

    5:49 pm on Feb 1, 2021 (gmt 0)

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    We are talking about diff things.

    And while I'm not saying low income by advertising is the case for most people, your argument sounds like the opposite, stating advertising being a highly profitable business, it's not, specially when there is a difference between "websites", meaning big figures coming (perhaps) businesses, VS sites built by just one person and this person is the on man band (why not hire? that's been discussed before. Back to advertising: it's been discussed several times and by people who have B&M sites with decent traffic in this forum. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I don't see a reason to disagree, just: diff things, and one doesn't have to make the other invalid. What to do remains a personal choice, but if you are familiar with some of my posts and threads since 2018 (specially), I disagree with people selling their souls, but they can do what they want, I'll do what's best for me.

    In case it's not clear, I'm not bragging, my websites have made more money that I would have expected and it was not just to buy beer and cookies or small gadgets, but some other expensive stuff, I'm happy and grateful, but as also said on another thread, things have changed and it feels like the new ever changing rules make you work for Google, not for yourself. So, as any other business relationship: whenever it's not good, it's over.

    I don't remember who said it, perhaps martinibuster (sorry I don't recall) many years ago, how advertising and selling links can mean money, but they are also an exit door from your site. I believe there are things that create a gap on approaches, one of them bing age (younger webmasters are willing to do things older webmasters don't, but that already explains why my sites have 21 years and counting), on the other hand I see people complaining about earnings and I can't say I disagree, but if we are able to create such simple/complex things as websites to earn money via advertising, it's kind of contradicting when someone says it's the only way they can do money and can't take in count monetizing their skills (that's different than just monetizing a website).

    Again, I believe we are talking diff things.