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cien

7:59 pm on Aug 20, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Hi guys. Hope you can help me here. I have some questions about Adsense business and taxes. Country is US and I only have to file Federal Taxes, no state.

- The year to file for is 2011 so it is late but within the 3 years filing period I guess. I have the 1099 - MISC form Google sends to some of their partners. I made $7000+ through Google Adsense for 2011, up to May 2011, but had quite a few expenses which "maybe" totaled more than that. The reason why the high expenses is because Google de-indexed my whole site from its search engine wiping out all my visitors around April, 2011. My last check was in May 2011 for around $2300+. I spent several thousand dollars with some SEO guy trying to re-index my site in Google, but I guess that was all a big scam; the site never recovered so I let the domain expire.

Now, with all this information you now know, do you see how I can deduct anything related to the loss of the site besides the SEO recovery expenses? I let the domain expire that same year because the site was useless.

Here are some deductions I have heard about, but don't know if they are valid. I have no clue. Please note I can't hire a tax accountant now. I wish I could. I have Turbo Tax 2012 to file those taxes now.

- Closing business. How much can I deduct? Have NO clue!
- Value of the site? Can it be deducted? What is the value of the site? $2300+ was the last check I received and payments were increasing every month. I never had the site appraised but I will include approximate site value deductions if I can. I don't know what was the value of the site. What do you think?
- Spent almost $6000+ trying to recover the site

Hope you can help me here. I didn't file the taxes because I got homeless months after this ordeal. Thank you very much for any help you can provide guys.

Cien

LifeinAsia

8:38 pm on Aug 20, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Are you filing a return for a business or as part of your personal income?

Closing business. How much can I deduct?

Not sure what you mean here... You can deduct reasonable costs associated with running your business. These would include costs for "closing" your business, like any associated paperwork you have to file with the state to close your business.

Spent almost $6000+ trying to recover the site

Whether the money you spent to try to recover your site produced results is irrelevant- you spent it in the course of doing business and should be deductible.

Value of the site? Can it be deducted?

Is your site listed as an actual asset on your previous returns? If so, then when you "disposed" of it in 2011, any remaining value would be deducted.

However, more likely, you've just been deducting the annual renewal fee each year, and the value is $0 (since you're already deducting the renewal fee).

You could try to argue that the site was worth $10,000 (just using an arbitrary number for this example) before April. But then you would be taxed on the increase in site value from $0 to $10,000, which would be offset by the loss of "disposing" your $10,000 asset for $0. In other words, a net difference of $0, a lot of extra documentation, and could be flagged for an audit- nothing to gain and a lot to lose.

By the way, if this was an actual business, you DID file the paperwork with your state to close down the business, right? If not, you've got 2 more years of tax returns to file (actually 3- you'll need to file next year for 2014 as well), plus you'd better file that paperwork ASAP!

[edited by: LifeinAsia at 9:01 pm (utc) on Aug 20, 2014]

netmeg

8:46 pm on Aug 20, 2014 (gmt 0)

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You really need an accountant. I'm sure LifeinAsia is probably spot on, but ... this is something for which you should not depend on advice in a forum.

cien

9:11 pm on Aug 20, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Thanks LifeinAsia and Netmeg.

Very helpful but now I'm really worried.

LifeinAsia, you said:

"By the way, if this was an actual business, you DID file the paperwork with your state to close down the business, right? If not, you've got 2 more years of tax returns to file (actually 3- you'll need to file next year for 2014 as well), plus you'd better file that paperwork ASAP!"

1. By "Actual business" did you mean like a "registered business with the state" where you have to file a registration fee, get a name, etc? If so, that's not what I did. I filed as sole proprietor in previous years. 2011 was my last year. Do I still have to do any paperwork with the state to close this Adsense business? And if so, what about 2012, 2013, 2014 years taxes? I obviously didn't have the adsense business since 2011.

jpch

11:34 pm on Aug 20, 2014 (gmt 0)

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If you can't hire a CPA then I would just file the returns to the best of your ability and claim every reasonable expense you spent on the business as a deduction. Unless there is a lot more income involved here than you describe chances are the IRS isn't even going to bother with an audit. If the IRS thinks you still owe them money or need more paperwork they'll let you know...they are very good at that.

LifeinAsia

12:12 am on Aug 21, 2014 (gmt 0)

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By "Actual business" did you mean like a "registered business with the state" where you have to file a registration fee, get a name, etc?

Correct- a separate legal entity with its own EIN. It sounds like you've been reporting the income/expenses on a Schedule C with your personal income tax return- so not a company.

cien

1:28 am on Aug 21, 2014 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Jpch. I'm going to have to do that.

LifeinAsia. I was looking at the 2010 income tax return copy my CPA gave me back then and he used Schedule C-EZ (form 1040). I suppose that's the one you are talking about? Anyway, thanks a ton for your help.