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Click Payout Variation

AdSense Variation of payouts regarding number of clicks

         

nicu

6:05 pm on Aug 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hello everyone. I'll start off by saying I'm not the most experienced when it comes to AdSense. Anyway, I have been running a site for a few months now, and at the beginning I would be getting maybe 5 or 10 clicks a day, with a daily payout of, lets say, $1. Other days, I might get 20 clicks in a day, and still get paid $1. Nowadays, I'll getting 40-60 clicks a day, but that's only equating to maybe, $2 a day. What's going on? It seems like some clicks will only pay 2 cents.. and it seems as if, no matter how many clicks I get, Google is determined to only pay a couple of bucks a day. Anybody else have issues like this? As I said, I'm somewhat new to this, but it doesn't seem entirely legit. What gives?

netmeg

7:28 pm on Aug 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Sounds like you're being smart priced. Here's an (old) article on it; most of the info is probably still relevant.

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nicu

8:03 pm on Aug 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for pointing me in what seems like the right direction. But how do I know if I'm being smart priced? Does between 3 and 8 cents a click sound like its on the low side? I know each industry is different (ie, financial-based sites probably pay more) .. but still, i'm probably averaging close to 6 cents a click.. is that terribly low for a niche-based (non-financial) site? Also, any suggestions on how to overcome smart pricing? I read an article which said to only display adsense ads to search engine visitors. Sounds reasonable, but will it make a big difference in payout-per-click?

netmeg

8:11 pm on Aug 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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There are so many variables involved, that nobody can really say. It could be your niche. It could be smart pricing. It could be targeting. It could be your traffic.

There's a lot of different calculations that go into the value of a click - for example, did you know that the highest paying ad is usually the first one that loads on the page? and that subsequent ads usually pay less. By the time you get down to the bottom of the page, that's probably where your penny ads are; if you have more than one ad block, you might try taking it down to one to see if that helps.

Some sites just naturally attract better ads. Do you feel your ads are pretty targeted to your traffic? Are you catching them when they're in a buying mode/cycle? If not, that could have something to do with it. Some of my sites are entertainment sites - people flock to them, but they don't click much, and when they do, the clicks don't pay all that much - because people aren't really focused on *buying* stuff. Once I figured that out (and it took a while) then I could work on other sites to try to catch people at the right time in that cycle (and I still don't have it completely right)

nicu

8:40 pm on Aug 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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The ads do seem pretty targeted to the traffic/site, but the site is purely informational in nature, and I suspect most of the visitors are not looking to buy anything. Also, my traffic started out 95% based in the US (where I am), and now the US represents less than 20% of my traffic (and mostly likely a similar percentage of the clicks).

I have two ad blocks on the page, each in their separate Ad Unit, so I can track the effectiveness of each. The one towards the top gets clicked much more than the one towards the bottom, but the one towards the bottom sometimes pays 5 or 6 times as much (other days, like today for example, that block has 2 clicks paying a total of 5 cents).

I realize that sites that don't convert well might get "smart priced" .. and that makes sense. But the problem is, what happens when the ad is for a product, say, Florida Orange Juice.. where obviously, nobody is going to buy that over the internet anyway. I assume the goal of that type of ad is more as a product reminder, not necessarily for online conversion..

netmeg

11:09 pm on Aug 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Right, and branding ads don't tend to pay as much as product based ads.

(As an advertiser, I sure don't pay the same for branding campaigns as I do for an ecommerce site)

If your traffic has moved mostly offshore, I could see where that's possibly a factor too. I have no idea if Google has a quality score for traffic (Yahoo does) but it would stand to reason that if they see a lot of invalid clicks from one area, or just plain see a lot of clicks from a region that isn't likely to convert at all, they'd discount the value of the clicks. One of my sites targets Michigan; if 30% of my traffic came from Asia or Europe, it probably wouldn't be very lucrative.

nicu

7:16 pm on Aug 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Well thank you for your input, I will try a few things and report back if I find any significant changes in payout.

StoutFiles

7:27 pm on Aug 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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There's also the "glass ceiling" theory...in which the big G caps your earnings at a set amount. Dyas where you do better or worse...you'll still end up around the same amount of money. Every now and then the ceiling is raised or lowered based on how you've been doing over a span of time. (days, weeks, etc)

Only with a huge day of traffic and clicks can you break through the ceiling.

netmeg

7:42 pm on Aug 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Personally, I do not believe in that theory, but I know there are plenty who do.

nicu

10:35 pm on Aug 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I have thought about that glass ceiling idea before it was mentioned, but my limited knowledge of how adsense works precluded me from truly believing it - but perhaps there is some truth to it. But would the ceiling be set so low? I only have one active site at the moment, and I'm usually not making more than $2 a day (and I don't mind sharing that info since I haven't revealed the site). Would they set the ceiling so low? Is anybody making significantly more than that? For obvious reasons I wouldn't expect anyone to share the names of their sites, but I'm curious just what the possibility is..

signor_john

10:57 pm on Aug 20, 2009 (gmt 0)



But the problem is, what happens when the ad is for a product, say, Florida Orange Juice.. where obviously, nobody is going to buy that over the internet anyway.

According to Google, CPM (cost per 1,000 impressions) ads --which is what branding ads tend to be--are served only when, in Google's estimation, they're likely to pay better than CPC (cost per click) ads. So, if you're seeing ads for Florida orange juice, it's likely to be for one of two reasons:

- Higher-bid CPC ads aren't available for your page(s) at that given point in time, and/or...

- Those higher-bid CPC ads tend not to perform well on your page (in other words, not enough readers are clicking on those ads).

But that's just a detail, and it may not be the reason why you're getting clicks that earn only a few pennies each. Chances are, you won't be able to identify the reason, and if you're getting only 40 to 60 clicks a day, it may be more productive to build out your site and increase you audience than to worry about questions that have no readily-available answers. Ultimately, high-quality traffic (and plenty of it) is what brings in revenue, whether that revenue is from AdSense or other sources.

Green_Grass

9:09 am on Aug 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

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In my experience, it takes time for a website to build history and confidence with G and advertisers. If your site drives conversions for advertisers and they start actively seeking/targetting your site, you will see a significant uptick in EPC.

One of my sites seems to convert well for advertisers..what with they writing to thanking me for the content, offering affiliate programs to subscribe to etc. The EPC is quite high. I am currently blending some aff. links with the content to try and take advantage of the traffic.

Why don't you add some aff. links? This will give you a very good idea about the worth of your site and how advertisers may perceive your site traffic.