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I bought a lot of expired domains. I just redirect them to MFA.
I too have 6k traffics. I send that to MFA. I earned huge. ALmost $17 ecpm promoting forex niche.
When traffic is small it works well.
When traffic grows to 6k (once 15k), I don't feel comfortable earning that much in one account. Well, I get my friends to sign up. I work as consultant driving traffic.
But #*$! man. only adsense converts. Look. If google doesn't like Chinese traffic why does it pays so high for chinese traffic? Why only adsense pay well for chinese traffic?
Also adsense prohibits sneaky redirect. What does it mean? Besides the fact that I effectively have many accounts, do I really break any rules? I mean it's working fine for months.
Also, most chinese do not have credit card. It's not my fault if they click on links to clickbank and then do not convert.
For US traffic it makes more sense to just send to CPA. I mean I wouldn't bit 5 cents for MFA but I would do for CPA.
I send US traffic first for a while to raise ecpm and then send the rest of my traffic.
By the way, for now I just want to some other sponsor besides adsense that convert chinese traffic. Anything. Pay to surf?
Is there a way to somewhat change those traffic into non chinese traffic? Something like traffic swarm or stuff?
Ask several time whether it's okay and google says it's okay. Then they ban my account anyway.
I would love to avoid adsense but well nothing else convert for Chinese traffic.
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Chinese don't have credit card. THey have this thing called qq.
If there is any affiliate that do QQ I'll be thrilled.
You know what. 1 year ago I used to give adsense only junk traffics. Traffics that can't convert anywhere else. I got to send them somewhere. If my account was banned, then no biggie.
But adsense paid me again and again for 1 years.
2 years ago where I bought ads in adbrite, I always ask adsense team first if it's okay and they said it's okay. At that time I was pretty clean.
My wife said if adsense were that nice to you why not give your best traffics? Well you know why. Because I am always afraid to get banned. At parked.com they have this thing called TQ. If my traffics do not convert, my TQ will drops and I will know something is wrong.
Now, I want to move on.
There is one thing that bothers me all this time.
Why adsense and only adsense convert well in for Chinese traffic? That applies to both ads and doorway traffic.
There are 2 possibilities.
1. Traffics do not convert. Advertisers lose money. So I am screwing adsense. For this to be true, then all advertisers that bid for Chinese traffics must be. But c'mon. I am not the only one with Chinese traffics. There are others. In all cases only adsense converts. Advertisers know they're getting chinese traffic.
2. Traffics do convert. Think it this way. I shouldn't underestimate adsense. Quality of visitors improved when they voluntarily click on links rather than get redirected. Also Chinese great firewall, their lack of credit card, means that most CPA won't sell there. However, those who are in China and KNOW what works there can profitably bid on adwords and make money.
So, ladies and gentleman,
Can any of you give me one affiliates that will work on non targetted Chinese traffics? Anything.
Also, do you have any experience with Japanese traffic on AdSense?
In fact, I know a trick to greatly increase EPC. I think it's useful for white hat too.
So Chinese traffic usually bring $9 ecpm but in my hand it becomes $17. NOT increasing click through. Increasing EPC.
The clickthrough won't change of course. I don't ask for clicks or anything. But somehow EPC goes from 9 cents to like 30 cents and that's chinese traffic.
That's why it's insane.
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But it seems AdWords pretty much has this covered. You have the ability to block ads by country. In fact, if you decide to target China you will get a pop-up warning that informs you of an unrelated issue. So it's unlikely that someone would accidentally target China. Also, some people might want Chinese traffic so I don't really see a reason for Google to exclude them from viewing ads.
I am still interested to hear from anyone who has experience with Japanese traffic. Specifically, does it convert well? Is it desirable to US merchants?
And yea tell this to the plex. I do not care. I may have used doorway (is that prohibited?). However, I can also use valid advertising (is that prohibited too?). In fact that's how I started things out. Chinese traffic are cheap and doing arbitrage with MFA can be profitable.
As for the EPC trick, I don't think I break anything though.
So yea, with some modification my technique can be modified to comply.
Hell, when I started with my first (and hence legitimate) adsense accounts I asked several time whether it's okay. Those are the days I thought I can have a good relationship with google :(
Latter I've heard they have rules against arbitrage. Is that true?
[edited by: encyclo at 2:34 pm (utc) on Aug. 6, 2009]
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I think the basic issue here is, why should Chinese traffic be worth as much or more than US traffic, when Chinese are less likely to purchase online?
There's a very bad misconception world wide that all Chinese work in sweat shops for little or no money.
That is seriously wrong as an all encompassing statement. While it is quite true in some respects and, many are poor subsistence farmers, a hell of a lot also hold down relatively good paying jobs.
Often overlooked, if you took say the top 300+ million people, you would find in aggregate they may well be better off financially than the "whole" of the US population.
Certainly I believe their "middle class" outnumber the US middle class.
Are they likely to purchase online? I think so. BUT not necessarily from us, more likely from their homeland sites. A challenge for so called "entrepreneurs".
A HUGE market if you can tap into it. It can only get bigger and bigger. The same with India and elsewhere.
Australia can and does look to China, India and Indonesia as real new emerging markets.
That's the reason I believe only fools here say "don't buy made in China". Hell the entire Australian booming economy for the last ten or so years was the result of one five letter word.
CHINA
They buy a hell of a lot more off us, gazillions more, than we buy from them and whilst there are temporary set backs due to the world economy it'll rectify within a short time and the government will once again be awash with money.
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They buy a hell of a lot more off us, gazillions more, than we buy from them and whilst there are temporary set backs due to the world economy it'll rectify within a short time and the government will once again be awash with money.
IanCP, we got your word on that? lol
Really though, HOW can we Americans and others outside of China tap into this market? Like IanCP said, the Chinese are probably going to more likely buy from their homeland, so, how do WE that are outside of China tap into this?
As far as AdSense goes, does AdSense have Chinese ads that we publishers would be able to use on our Chinese directed sites?
What about domains? Can we use .com's or do we need .cn domains?
Actually, this thread that started off as how to game the system and such, can be turned into a learning experience for all of us!
Thanks Tim222 and IanCP!
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In this case, the adSense ads would be primarily used for Branding and Generating Leads whch can be followed up offline and a sale closed.
This may be why the traffic can pay decent for Chinese webmasters with Chinese traffic..
Cheers..
HOW can we Americans and others outside of China tap into this market? Like IanCP said, the Chinese are probably going to more likely buy from their homeland, so, how do WE that are outside of China tap into this?
I expect that's the difference between us great unwashed masses and the genuine millionaires [not including Wall St. scammers etc.].
Watch, someone will figure it out, make a squillion quite simply and us "dubbos" will all say:
"Why didn't we think of that? So simple, so obvious". It'll happen no risk.
Yes to an earlier mention, in the not too distant future, once again the OZ Gummint will be awash with more cash than they know what to do with.
But for international circumstances in the last 12 or so months it would have been embarrassing. As one financial pundit observed earlier:
"The Australian budget surplus is so huge it's visible in outer space from the international space station".
It will return. The "LUCKY" Country. Blessed with every kind of resource.
Come on down.
What is selling in China. That's all I want to know now.
I tried many things. Pay to surf doesn't work. MLM doesn't work. Matrix program doesn't work. Anyone knows about QQ coins? That's Chinese new currency. But how do I promote that.
What about 2 tier affiliate programs? Also can Chinese speak English?
That's all I want to know actually. #*$! gaming anyone. You think I like gaming adsense?
Well see, that's the problem. When you don't succeed you don't start trying to cheat the system, because then suddenly everyone is cheating the system.
If I try something else I would have come up with something. And that's what I am trying now.
Now, what can we promote in China? The best niche I got when with Chinese traffics are forex. So any good Forex affiliate that target Chinese? I mean have templates in Mandarin or something. Let's start with that.
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Really though, HOW can we Americans and others outside of China tap into this market? Like IanCP said, the Chinese are probably going to more likely buy from their homeland, so, how do WE that are outside of China tap into this?
I agree that's going to be difficult. It seems there's more than just the language barrier, which really isn't that big of a deal. But as Ian suggested, Australian businesses probably love that traffic. I imagine it's also valuable in India and in other parts of Asia.
"The Australian budget surplus is so huge it's visible in outer space from the international space station".It will return. The "LUCKY" Country. Blessed with every kind of resource.
Come on down.
I've noticed in Google Analytics that I get an unusually high volume of Australian traffic. As I recall, U.K. has something like three times the population of Australia, but on my site British traffic is only around 82% of that from Australia. I just figured you guys were bored :) But now I know the secret... everyone over there must be filthy rich.
2 tiers affiliate programs? the one you can sign up freely?
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So there you go, my money's on the table.
Of course, I could be completely wrong. :-)
Well, I guess I am, and soon if something doesn't get better we will all literally be UNwashed as we won't be able to afford any soap! lol
Now, do I make money? Well, 2 years ago, with my very first adsense account (no trick), I got paid very well months after months. At that time I play by the rule. But that's the problem. Of all the affiliates in the world, only adsense work. I would have done more research.
As far as I know, only adsense works for Chinese or Vietnamese traffic. Maybe bing and ypn would work too. I don't know.
Oh ya, there is a big different between traffic from advertising and traffic from doorway. CTR for doorway is low. Like 6%. From ads, you can get 26%CTR and insane ecpm.
Calivert is right. Chinese subsidize their oil and after that perform stimulus package. It'll end in tears. BUT, Chinese has low per capita income. Their workers are cheaper. Their government has the largest foreign reserve. Under globalization, those with the same capability make the same money eventually. It'll be a long time before that tears flow.
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It'll be a long time before that tears flow.
Soon, adsense will have competitors. I'll hold my breath till it happen.
You know, it may be a stupid ideal. But I am tired of finding a good sponsor for my chinese traffic.
What I had wanted, if possible, is to promote freedom all over the world and somehow make money out of it. Well, forget about making money. Any freedom site I should promote?
Chinese, Myanmar, Vietnam, Iran, can all use a little freedom in ways that their government cannot censor.
At least till I found a way to monetize it. Yea I know. Freedom from someone that make a bunch of adsense accounts and hence don't respect rights of others. What can I say? Better than nothing?
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I completely agree. A couple of things I would like to add about the Chinese Bubble. Everyone is aware of the Chinese Government's stimulus of almost $600 Billion. However, most are unaware of a larger stimulus that the Chinese government is forcing Chinese banks to loan at levels several times higher than the official stimulus. This money is juicing the Chinese economy. A lot of this money is flowing into real estate and the Chinese stock market. I even saw a report about how it's flowing into Macau casinos.
The way I see it. China is highly dependent upon exports. Chinese exports are down 20% year over year. How does a nation with a 20% drop in exports continue to grow it's economy at 7.9% annualized?
Well, it doesn't. It's a house of cards waiting to implode.
teguh123,
I think you are currently in the sweet spot for making money online in China. Which means passing traffic on further down the line in pursuit of a wild goose chase wherein marketers will realize there is much less profit in China than they had been led to believe.
Just to add from my daily reading, where the money in China is going right now. Real estate, stock market, casino gambling. If you can find affiliate lead offers in these areas, I'm sure you will do well for the rest of the year. Next year, I would imagine, will be the year China's economy comes crashing down since it's still rising fast on nothing more than hot air.
