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Please list your theory, speculation, or wild idea why you think AdSense earnings were higher before than now?
Here is one theory. As I recall, there were thousands of dollars worth of AdWords coupons flooding Internet conferences. Those AdSensers who have not attended conferences several years ago won't know what I'm talking about so before you comment on this theory, hear me out. (Here is a recent example [google.com] of an AdWords promotion that would inject Google money into the system, though probably not on the same scale as in the beginning).
Every conference I went to there were thousands of dollars worth of coupons available from denominations of $250 on down (as I recall). I think there may have been $500 coupons available, too. There were so many coupons floating around that some people were selling them, exchanging them between themselves, and opening multiple AdWords accounts to take advantage of them.
Could part of the higher payouts have to do with there being less publishers in the system? Is it possible that another contributing factor in those early days of higher ECPM was the flood of AdWords coupons?
[edited by: martinibuster at 8:27 am (utc) on May 2, 2009]
The pay-out per click has also halved since the economic turmoil.
As usual, YMMV. My average EPC has increased quite a bit over the past 12-18 months, and it's currently at near-record levels. For my site, a decline in clickthrough rates is the only matter of concern.
Sites that were started in mid to late 2007 by these new publishers started ranking in Google by the end of 2008 and thus started eating into the market share of older and established sites.
Ad blindness is factor too. I don't remember the last time I clicked an adsense ad on the sites that I visit frequently.
Revenue has been gradually sliding down while every thing else went up (unique visitors and pageviews - I am talking about a single website).
Right, I used to get X-Mas cards from Google on top of decent revenue and now I just about get a monthly payout.
The only reason Adsense is still on my site is that some of my direct advertisers still view Adsense as some sort of "quality sign" - like: "Google is doing business with him, he must be ok".
Back on topic: The reason for the decline?
My direct advertisers who are also using Adwords tell me that they are paying between $1 and $4 per click on keywords. Those ads show up on my site and I am paid $0.36 (on average).
I used to be paid well above a dollar per click.
So: Avertisers pay more per click and I get paid less per click than 6 years ago...and the gap is going where?
Make up your own math...
In my area, Google is keeping more of the pie for herself ( I do think of Google as a female for obvious reasons )
Thanks for listening...
[edited by: martinibuster at 2:05 am (utc) on May 8, 2009]
[edit reason] Fixed typo. [/edit]
And yes, I know that Google doesn't reveal the percentage paid to any individual publisher
It varies, but it can be around a 75% cut. I know this because 90% of my adword campaign was appearing on my own adsense over a couple of days - my adsense earnings was only 25% of the money I spent on those pages.
"smart pricing" - ie. Google decides how much you should get for the ad impressions, the rest of your earnings goes to Google.
This thread isn't a debate, but a factual correction might be useful to keep the discussion on track:
Smart pricing is a discount for advertisers. In other words, if the bid for a click is a dollar and you're "smart-priced" by 90 per cent, that means the advertiser is billed 10 cents for your click instead of the nominal or maximum bid of a dollar. Google doesn't keep the other 90 cents; the advertiser does.
According to an article titled "The Facts About Smart Pricing" [adsense.blogspot.com] in Google's official AdSense blog, "Google doesn't make money from smart pricing. In fact, we make less money, since the cost to advertisers is reduced in order to provide a strong ROI.'
A more detailed explanation of smart pricing is available in the Google AdWords Learning Center. To read it, scroll down to the bottom of "What is the Google Network? [google.com].
It's reasonable to assume that, over the years, Google's smart-pricing formula has evolved, and Google has acquired more data to use in determining where to apply smart-pricing discounts and what discounts should be used in individual cases. However, smart pricing is just one of the reasons why a given site (or publishers on average) may be earning lower eCPMs today than in 2003 or 2004.
Isn't it that Google claims that...
Smart pricing is a discount for advertisers. In other words, if the bid for a click is a dollar and you're "smart-priced" by 90 per cent, that means the advertiser is billed 10 cents for your click instead of the nominal or maximum bid of a dollar. Google doesn't keep the other 90 cents; the advertiser does.
...but we have no proof for this claim. All we have is Google's word for it, just have a look at your sources: "official AdSense blog", "Google Adwords Learning Center".
And I highly distrust Google.
So us U.S. beggars can't be choosers at the moment.
I was a bit surprised that online display advertising was projected to go down even as print magazines and newspapers continue to fold at a frightening pace.
I think we're just seeing a shakeout in display advertising (the "flight to quality"), with advertisers going after more targeted audiences at the expense of generic display ads in online newspapers, portals, ad networks, etc. This could be having an effect on AdSense publishers who use Google's "image ads" or display ads.
As people get better at searching the web for what they want, they become less interested in the places that ads take them.
This coupled with people becoming so used to ads on pages that they become part of the background and aren't even read as much.
I was thinking, it might be time to drop off the AdSense bandwagon?
As always, it depends on what the alternative is. Do you have a more profitable way to use the screen real estate that you're currently allocating to AdSense? If so, what are you waiting for? If not, how willing are you to give up AdSense revenue (even if it's revenue that you aren't happy with)?
My theory is simple, people are more "savvy" when browsing the web and they have found that clicking on an ad rarely results in you finding what you are looking for.
That isn't necessarily a bad thing if it means that more people are recognizing "Ads by Google" as ads and clicking on them only when they're interested in what the advertisers have to offer. Having people click on ads because they think they're navigation links isn't good for anyone in the long run (though it may produce short-term earnings for the make-money-while-you-can crowd).
Also, here's a slightly wacky but not completely off-the-wall thought:
I wonder if the growth of broadband has had any impact on clickthrough rates. In the days when most people were accessing the Internet with dial-up, there probably was a lot more frustration-driven clicking than there is nowadays. ("Damn, that click didn't do anything, so now I'll click again or click this other link instead.") With high-speed broadband access, the first click is more likely to result in an immediately-visible response. That could mean fewer inadvertent AdSense clicks and lower average CTRs for many publishers.
[edited by: signor_john at 11:28 pm (utc) on May 8, 2009]