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Googles Data Push Ruining AdSense Earnings.

Lost rankings, lost income................

         

WolfLover

6:26 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well, I was wondering what in the heck has happened since Friday. Saturday, September 16th was the lowest traffic, hence lower page views and earnings.... that I've had since the Florida update.

I was wondering what happened, so I went over to the Google Search News forum and found this thread here:

[webmasterworld.com ]

Anyone else see a huge drop in earnings this weekend? If so, check your keywords in Google serps. Many of the keywords I have been number one and two at for a couple of years have dropped to like number 18, 26, etc. My main keyword is still number one, but all the others have dropped. So, traffic is down to about 40% of normally and a little worse than that with earnings.

Car_Guy

6:41 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Comparing my AdSense reports for yesterday, Saturday the 16th and the last Saturday, the 9th, traffic and the number of clicks was almost the same, but my earnings per click on the 16th was only 69.3% of what it was on the 9th.

The 15th and 16th were the lowest-earning days of this month, and so far today is about the same.

ann

7:32 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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they are doing more than data pushing.

Anyone notice this at the top of the serps?

New! Google finds the search results most relevant to you, based on your search history. Learn more.

Yep, now they are going to tell the surfer what they will surf based on past history...bah!

Ann

Trisha

7:45 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Whatever it is they've done, its been hurting my site. I was fine through big daddy and these other recent 'data pushes'.

Anyone know how to recover from one of these things?

Bddmed

7:57 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My main keyword dropped from #1 to #9 in the serps. For me that's several hundreds of unique visitors I miss today.

(Now it's really time I have my Kit Kat today.)

europeforvisitors

8:07 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)



Anyone else see a huge drop in earnings this weekend?

Saturday had normal traffic, but EPC and eCPM were the highest of any day this month, which just goes to show that one man's poison is another man's meat--or that one day is unlikely to constitute a trend.

plasma

8:10 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Now that you mention it, I just looked at my tracker, and it tells me, that someone has clicked an adlink block for the keyword (I think in this case it's ok, to name the keyword): "Boeing 777". Believe me, my site has absolutely nothing to do with that business. My content didn't change, and there have never been such ads.
When I go to that page, even through the SERP with the same keyword he searched, I see only the regular ads.

However, it seems to work, the visitor clicked.

rbacal

8:16 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)



Many of the keywords I have been number one and two at for a couple of years have dropped to like number 18, 26

Since serps are a zero sum-game, some people for those keywords are obviously going to be extremely pleased. I often wonder at the point of these conversations.

jhood

8:38 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have had normal traffic but much higher CTR and eCPM (by about 1/3) so far this weekend. Not sure what's happening, but I won't argue with it.

DamonHD

8:56 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I'e had earnings this weekend much more like weekdays, ie very good for a weekend. Nothing to give up the day job for (which tomorrow is looking after my baby daughter!), but relatively good.

Rgds

Damon

WolfLover

10:52 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Since serps are a zero sum-game, some people for those keywords are obviously going to be extremely pleased. I often wonder at the point of these conversations.

I think the point is to find out if you are alone when something bad goes down, or if others are experiencing the same thing. Yes, it is obvious that whatever my losses are, are someone elses gain. However, many of those that have gained are not selling the same things that I specialize in. So, the search has not improved IMHO because it was not sites that specialize in my niche that moved way up. It was auction sites and comparison shopping sites and sites that happen to mention products that I specialize in AND sell.

Anyway, the point to many conversations here at this forum or any other forum is because many of us are a one person business and this is kind of like the breakroom or water fountain, it gives us someone else to "talk" to, and somehow it does feel better to know you are not alone, in good times and in bad.

My two cents.

DamonHD

11:24 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi WolfLover,

Yes, the "water cooler" aspect of WW is very very valuable...

Rgds

Damon

andrewshim

1:16 am on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My main keyword dropped from #1 to #9 in the serps. For me that's several hundreds of unique visitors I miss today.

You know, someone told me that recently - that the difference between a top 5 spot and below can be hundreds of uniques. I wish I could know this from experience!

I did notice that the past week or so, the serps in my category seems to have been slashed by up to half.

I used to rank #30 (or so) out of 140 million on 90% of the datacenters. Now it's #10 out of 70 million on 80% of the datacenters. Earnings wise, there's not much change. I'm only pulling ten-ish a day with about 120 uniques daily. I'd love to see the earnings based on uniques generated from a top five spot! I guess it's just work, work, work!

I'm outta here... the kitchen beckons with loads of chicken and meat to chop, veggie to dice blah, blah, blah...

jetteroheller

5:09 am on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have this problems since June 27th and I did not notice the last Google update, because no change.

It's a wall of silence at Google.

When ever You mention the June 27th problem, what's wrong with Your web site and what has to be done to solve the problem, no answer.

It's like more punishment for less crime.

Middle December 2005, I received an email, I will be erased from Google index for having invisible words. This really happened 3 days later.

The problem was a scrollable DIV, where I had a description for the content, because a search engine can not see, what's on a photo.

I changed the layout, made my reinclusion request and was back on 31th December with about 70% earlier traffic. 3 weeks later fully recovered.

So my punishment for violating the invisibile words rule had been 2 weeks 0% Google traffic and 3 weeks 70% Google traffic. A total loose of 2.6 week Google traffic.

Since June 27th, I do not know my crimes, I follow up every rumor what could be a problem.

I tried several times to communicate with Google about the problem, but I never received an answer.

Now my punishment is nearly 3 month 15% from my earlier Google traffic. A total loose of 10.2 week Google traffic. Around 4 times more punishment for a crime, they do not tell me.

europeforvisitors

2:28 pm on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)



jetteroheller, this is just a guess, but:

It's possible that, once you've had a penalty, the penalty remains on your record as a negative "signal of quality."

As time goes by Google's profiling algorithm changes, the importance of any one factor (such as a previous penalty) may change with it.

Have you given thought to other factors that might be coming into play? Are you doing anything else that, in combination with the previous penalty, might lead Google to believe that your site isn't squeaky-clean?

(By the way, wouldn't this thread be better suited to the Google Search News forum?)

RonS

2:43 pm on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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How do you folks check your SERPs, other than by going to google.com and searching for your keywords like I do?

I have seen an occasional IP or two listed, is there a master list of datacenter IPs? Is there a tool which will check your SERPs across all of the datacenters for a given query?

Thanks in advance!
Ron

PS if you have a URL for a SERP-checking tool like the one above, of course you can't link it here publicly. If you'd sticky it to me, I'd greatly appreciate it!
Thanks

WolfLover

5:44 pm on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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PS if you have a URL for a SERP-checking tool like the one above, of course you can't link it here publicly. If you'd sticky it to me, I'd greatly appreciate it!
Thanks

RonS, I've sent you a sticky, not sure if it is exactly what you are looking for but if not it may help in other ways. Good luck to you and let me know if you come up with any good tools.

RonS

6:18 pm on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Got it!

Thanks, that's exactly what I asked for! :) :)

That doesn't happen too often these days. ;)

moTi

1:37 am on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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By the way, wouldn't this thread be better suited to the Google Search News forum?

i think not.

[webmasterworld.com ]

my first thought was "some heavy adjustments in the content network". but now it's clear. earnings drop is due to the serp update in large part. no "up and down like usual" thing. what's interesting (but no good news in my case) is that ctr but also epc went down all damn quick and at the same time.

derived from my traffic and adsense stats the following happened in short:
google update - lost rankings - lost traffic - traffic shuffle - different (new) users on different entry pages - more % of users on entry pages with cheap ads - epc down immediately

in addition a ctr drop. in connection with the traffic reduction can be quite inconvenient :/

ronburk

1:41 am on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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How do you folks check your SERPs, other than by going to google.com and searching for your keywords like I do?

Pull'em right out of the web logs.

Mr_Smithee

10:09 am on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Since serps are a zero sum-game, some people for those keywords are obviously going to be extremely pleased. I often wonder at the point of these conversations.

My pages have also moved from #1 to page 3 of the SERPs for very specific search terms. My pages are the original content that anyone searching with these search terms is guaranteed to be looking for (can't name the URL here, you'll have to trust me). Now the sites on the first SERP are link pages, out of date pages and generally just comments about my content. The forums and link pages probably like their new ranking, but to a search engine user, the new results can't be right. For the users, it is not a zero sum game when the authoritative site drops from spot #1 to page 3. It isn't too big an issue for me because Google has never been a big source of visitors to my site, but I still wonder what's going on.