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What say you all your thoughts guys
If you are asking about SEO, then I would advise you to grow more slowly and gradually, don't start off with 1,000 pages, start with 10, don't feed the bot 100 new pages daily feed it 10, watch how it swallows the bot food and don't give it indigestion.
As for the "More Revenue" bit, I am assuming you are talking AdSense, if you do everything else to perfection, including content quality, converting traffic, high daily impressions, good PR, good links, media coverage .. The works! Once you get there you will be signing autographs and revenue growth is not an issue.
Will that growth rate depress or increase adsense revenue (3K pages a month), Assume I get a good position in the SERPS for these specific pages over time of course. Good meaning between 1-6 postion on page 1. I see a 1% conversion rate in adsense clicks to impressions, I am fine with this because its a trade off the content gets me high in the SERPS and the adsense ads monetizes the content.
I am really only concerned in logically testing the premise of more sites vs. more pages which one is more prudent in driving adsense reveune and growing both or a mix is better to keep revenue optimal (All other things being equal) Do you see my point.
Anybodys take on this matter...
1. Pick 1 topic -widgets then pick 30 subcats blue widgets, green widgets, the benefits of widgets etc.
2. Next break down the sub cats i.e blue widgets, blue widgets in Miami, blue widgets in Ireland etc.
3. Then build, Introduction 6 lines, Body 30 lines, Conclusion 25 lines. It is simple really.
Begin each paragraph with your keyword and end with a sentence that includes the keyword.
You can create at least with 100 in a 10 hr day, start 8:30AM, 12:00-1:00PM 1:00PM - 7:30PM.
1. Pick 1 topic -widgets then pick 30 subcats blue widgets, green widgets, the benefits of widgets etc.2. Next break down the sub cats i.e blue widgets, blue widgets in Miami, blue widgets in Ireland etc.
3. Then build, Introduction 6 lines, Body 30 lines, Conclusion 25 lines. It is simple really.
Begin each paragraph with your keyword and end with a sentence that includes the keyword.
The net is full of sites like this now. Maybe you can do it better, but ...
It sure is an advantage that your mom is an English teacher.
But does she know anything about blue widgets in Miami?
Not trying to be offensive, but who would be interested in reading pages that are written in 6 minutes?
and than the site will be classified as Made for Adsense.
[edited by: Mohamed at 8:18 pm (utc) on Aug. 17, 2006]
Will that growth rate depress or increase adsense revenue (3K pages a month), Assume I get a good position in the SERPS for these specific pages over time of course. Good meaning between 1-6 postion on page 1
It is a pretty big assumption for a new site or new content, if you really can do it, you are set for a long time. But the time factor might surprise you, trust me, it takes a long time and a lot of work to get where you are planning to be.
I see a 1% conversion rate in adsense clicks to impressions, I am fine with this because its a trade off the content gets me high in the SERPS and the adsense ads monetizes the content.
Only after you are up and running, and for a long time will you know for sure how your content performs AdSense wise, don't plan for a trade off from now, or at least that's how I would do it, I would aim high in target quality and shoot low in earnings expectations, so build better less content, optimize it for max quality, max exposure, max ctr.. You get the drift.
more sites vs. more pages which one is more prudent in driving adsense reveune and growing both or a mix is better to keep revenue optimal
There are different schools here, I'd go vertical with quality, and move to the next site and so on.. Diversify and have more than one site but not at the price of quality.
Not trying to be offensive, but who would be interested in reading pages that are written in 6 minutes?It sure is an advantage that your mom is an English teacher.
Well, there's the answer. I believe there's a law that moms are legally obligated to read those articles written in 6 minutes.
Look out mama, Jamaican Food guy has you booked for...er...well, a long time.
As for the rest of the world...well...not so much.
10 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes. Its like this guys, youve lived in Miami all your life, there are things about Miami that you know, general info, current affairs, terms of politics, your honest opinion on a matter that affects Miami, the economy in Miami, summarized in 500 words. Google Adsense does the rest, picks up on your opinionated content because of keywords and actually will direct the reader to a specific page that might offer facts and figures.
Just from your every day practice if I was to say to you guys write 10 articles, 1. How to build an adsense site, 2. Where to place adsense ads on your site 3. How to monetize your website with adsense, etc. How long would it take you to draft 10 articles MS Word, back to back no save name file, just type on topic, then spell check, check your keyword density and copy and paste in your webpage and BAM!
Im sure you guys know the terms 'ambiguity' and 'redundancy' how many authority websites do we see that offer the same theme and info in different articles using different jargon and wording.
Despite these obvious practices by large sites we know the basic fundamental, 'CONTENT' is king whether opinion or fact. Im sorry for those of us that cant seriously write 100 articles in a day on the things that affect them daily (unless they exist in a bubble).
Thats what I am saying stick to the goal, Adsense earnings and providing content for adsense earnings. One thing techies forget people are people, thats why talk show hosts get ratings their opinion, you might not agree but you still watch, them, same practice on the net, your opinion can count for something you dont have to be Albert Einstein and know it to the tee, just enough to offer a base, thats what buzzle is to me.
So write on then before I get lost, pages or sites which one is it
Come on guys, everyone here can expand the knowledge and opinions they have and translate it into a commentary....If not then the human race is truly doomed as communication is the only real barrier that mankind faces.
Hold on guys, do you know how long it took Brett to write his 26 Step for a successful website post that has been banded about the net as the cliff notes for SEO. 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes.
But I don't think he wrote 99 other articles that very same day.
Im sorry for those of us that cant seriously write 100 articles in a day on the things that affect them daily (unless they exist in a bubble).
It took you 612 days to write 105 posts in this forum.
That's about 1 post a week.
What is qaulity content? It is content that someone is likely to find useful enough to link to.
I really, really doubt that you can produce any more than 10-15 pages a day that are in that category. Including navigation and summary pages, you might be able to produce 30 new pages a day that are of any use.
If you are producing 100 pages of content and 200 pages including those navigation pages, you would be lucky to produce 2 pages that are worth linking to. But they will be so buried in all your other crap that no one is likely to ever find them to link to them.
But you seem convinced that it is a good plan, so have fun.
In the mean time I will continue working on the site based on some research I just completed for school. It is starting at around 30 pages of REAL content that averaged over 60 hours a page. It's not an issue of writing speed, it's an issue of researching and thinking about what you write.
Then what makes your opinion on the war in Iraq different from theirs if you write about it. What can content entail, facts, figures and opinions. My pages include facts on Jamaican food, uses, cultivation etc.
If Im a farmer that info comes naturally to me then it becomes valid content. Mix that with SEO get good keyword density, then whats the problem. No Andy Rooney and Mike Wallace dont aim for keyword density but then again that does not sell newspapers, keyword density sells sites in that the SERPS look for this to rank pages higher (FACT).
So it still comes back down to 'what the browsing public in the global village finds interesting and informative' is really good content. I did A'Level history and post WWII history of the middle east I have interesting facts on the Middle East war, I write the facts I know along with some opinion and BAM!.
I dont think that would take me 60 Hours. I opened a US company online in Delaware and many Jamaicans would love to do this, I place an ad in my daily newspaper costs me USD$10.00 to do this place an article on my site about it with the URL and BAM! how many hits would I get.
Using Google adsense on that page then people come find links to online companies that do that and SHAZAM! people would click those links wouldnt they. I could quadruple my investment in 1 day not to mention doing this every week with some other knowledge base.
So what is Good Content!
Your thoughts again guys...
JF
Then what makes your opinion on the war in Iraq different from theirs if you write about it.
Other than the fact they they have the real world version of what PageRank is based on? Not much as long as you put as much thought and effort into writing your opinion piece as they put into theirs.
I'm guessing that Mike Wallace and Andy Rooney put more than 6 minutes into writing just about any of their opinion pieces.
My pages include facts on Jamaican food, uses, cultivation etc.
I write quite extensively on food. It is one of my favorite subjects. Hell, most of the traffic on my personal blog is for the recipes.
Here's the thing, all those recipes have been personally tested several times. Just testing that recipe takes many hours. Carefully typing it in takes far longer than 6 minutes.
If I'm going to write about a specific ingredient, I do this little thing called research. Even if I know the ingredient well, I still research it. Even if it is going to be a short page of only a few hundred words, I want my information to be accurate.
About all I could write in 6 minutes would be a quick blog entry about having a delicious kung pao chicken for dinner, or that my San Marzano tomatoes are ripening and it will be time to startt making tomato sauce.
If Im a farmer that info comes naturally to me then it becomes valid content.
Uh, I've written articles on gardening, and I am in regular contact with people that are some of the most published in the world of organic farming. They all think in the range of days per page, not pages per day.
keyword density sells sites in that the SERPS look for this to rank pages higher (FACT).
Looks like you need to learn to do more research again. Keyword density hasn't mattered, at least in Google, for several years. it has gone the way of meta keywords. The only way it matters is when it raises a flag for unnatural language usage.
See, research can be a good thing.
As for all your big plans, you will probably make money with them, but it all sounds like a lot of work for what is not sustainable traffic levels.
The point to having really good content is that you don't have to go out and buy ads in your local paper every week. If you go on vacation and can't place that ad, the traffic will still keep coming back. Many of them will come back multiple times, and many of them will link to you.
In the Adsense context,there is an obvious correlation, Sites with content monetize there websites with Adsense, Sites that sell dont give two hoots about content they care about PPC and ROI and getting on sites with lots of content that people will find there related product and the sites that are in between (advertising facilitators) are just the bridge between the two poles.
He also mentioned DMOZ and Wikipedia and other human edited 'volunteer' sites as totally different to the cause and really anomalies.
Where we differ is because you are actually in between you want to provide good content to make your site popular to generate more hits and HOPE to get more adsense clicks. I will provide average content which leads people to click adsense ads.
No I wont say click these ads, but the info I will provide will lead people to want to click these ads some might say immoral but not illegal, its much like P-Diddy and pro-activ, his endorsement leads people to buy pro-activ.
We arent similiar in practice Dave because we have clearly different goals.
I would love to know what category your site falls in in the Adsense rat race or if the moderators agree with me at all
Where we differ is because you are actually in between you want to provide good content to make your site popular to generate more hits and HOPE to get more adsense clicks. I will provide average content which leads people to click adsense ads
No. Actually you are going to provide really lousy content, which is not going to get you ANY significant traffic from SERPS, is going to end up having low bidding advertisers, and is going to get you stuffed with smart pricing so the net result is that you are going to be back here asking:
Why am I only making half a cent a click, and only a dollar a day.
And, all the time you spend creating this content (which has no value except on an MFA site) is going to be worthless for any other purpose.
You'd be better off selling jerk chicken on the street corner.
keyword density sells sites in that the SERPS look for this to rank pages higher (FACT).
This sort of makes you sound like somebody who thinks it's straightforward to rank well in Google for any but the most non-competitive terms. I'm hoping you're not starting out that far back in the pack. Try to remember, only 10 folks get to be on page 1 of Google for any search term, and just about any search term worth any money has waaaaaay more than 10 folks competing for a piece of the pie.
I place an ad in my daily newspaper costs me USD$10.00 to do this place an article on my site about it with the URL and BAM! how many hits would I get.
Well, let's run some plausible numbers. Let's generously figure you're going to average $.05/click, and have a 2% CTR. To just break even on this scheme, you're going to need 200 clicks, which means 10,000 visitors. If you really think a teeny-tiny $10 newspaper ad is going to produce 10,000 people who will scramble over to their keyboard and type in that URL, then you are a Highly Optimistic Fellow. And remember, that's 10,000 people just to break even!
Of course, if you really believe the things you're saying, just fire up that website and go at it. It won't take long for you to either get rich quick or learn to readjust your expectations.
Guys Im very aware that its not that easy to get to the top of Google but there are statements that are hypocritical on the part of more experienced webmasters.
Fine early webmasters those who have been around since the early 90's say 'turn right' (good SEO) and you will be OK in the SERPS. While we try to do it this way and what happens, spammers and other sites 'turn left'(SPAM, CLOAK etc) and push us to PAGE Number - Oblivion.
While other companies sell links for $35.00 a pop that not only drive additional traffic but push up rankings for these spammer sites. I am starting a program to do just that in Sept. lets be real, you can buy your way to the top cant you? as well as write average content too, so lets just be honest. The web is a market place. Utilize your store.
Back in the day that was fine and even then the meta tags, the PR passing down, the link spamming still did better than the Good old seo sites. And now its something else it will never stop do you expect us to carry a knife to a gun fight?
Your thoughts
I respect that you are trying to get out of the box of conventional assumptions. I've read this thread with interest, and you make some good points, but I am not convinced that you can get from point A from point B.
But go ahead and prove the skeptics wrong! When you do, feel free to come back here and gloat a bit.
And now its something else it will never stop do you expect us to carry a knife to a gun fight?
What you are intending to do is carry a toothpick to a gun fight.
It sounds to me like you don't really want a business that will feed you for years, but want to make the quickest buck with the least brain work.
That's fine. Almost all such attempts fail, some quickly and some it takes longer.
I figure you are sincere, but a little misguided, so I'll give this a crack. I've published something like eight books with major publishers, translated into a whole bunch of languages. My articles which appear on the web are oft requested as PAID reprints in magazines and internal pubs, including being used by the United Nations.
I got offered my book contracts on the strength of the QUALITY of the material on my websites. I get offered consulting and training gigs on the strenght of the QUALITY of the articles I have on the web.
I've lived off this quality for some ten years now - it just keeps on giving.
How has all this happened? QUALITY. EXPERTISE about the subjects I wrote about. Earned reputation. People (not me) refer to me (it's a bit embarrasing) as THE expert in my country on several of the niches I write in. Media interviews, all that crap.
The value of the core material on my websites cumulatively is (sitting down?) over 1 MILLION DOLLARS over the life of that material, at least to me and based on all my projections of future incomes, royalities, sales, ad income, etc. You can't buy my sites and articles for less than two MILLION dollars (in the event you're crazy enough to try).
I'm taking the time to tell you all of this NOT to make the point of how wonderful I am, but to explain that NONE of this (and we're talking serious business income over many years past, present and future) would ever have happened if I did what you are thinking you want to try.
You can build a long term business based on quality, building a reputation, etc, or you can produce "articles" that anyone can produce (the six minute author thing). One way (if you are good) will pay you for the rest of your life, and the other way may not even give you enough money to buy a bottle of Jamaican Rum.
Why would 100 articles a day seem so difficult. My moms an english teacher so maybe I have an advantage,
I'm a fast writer, but I can't imagine writing 100 worthwhile articles a day on anything. I'll bet your mother, the English teacher, would agree with me. :-)
[edited by: jatar_k at 7:19 am (utc) on Aug. 18, 2006]
But would your visitors tolerate clicking "next" every 6 words?
I wish webmasters would ask themselves this serious question before publishing anything on the web:
Is this good enough to be publically released onto the web?
or, alternatively, and very aptly for the OP:
Would I want my mother to read this?
:)
I have taken sticky mail and have begun building the site with info encouraging people to buy the products posted up by the G sense Ad.
I got the figures from the Gleaner Co. here in Jamaica, and will pass on the figures in my next post with the results.
If I get .5% response and .5% sales per week I'll make 350% profit. I am going to test it.
I have taken sticky mail and have begun building the site with info encouraging people to buy the products posted up by the G sense Ad.
I got the figures from the Gleaner Co. here in Jamaica, and will pass on the figures in my next post with the results
Sigh. Next up: How come I got banned.
...it's not even worth the bother anymore.
lets be real, you can buy your way to the top cant you?
Well, sure. Just pay enough for an AdWords ad and you'll be right on top, guaranteed. Even better, no competitor can fire off a quick note to Google and get you banned, losing you all the money you invested in some link-spamming scheme or whatnot.
Either way, you're talking about arbitrage. It sure can work, but the info you've posted doesn't "smell" like a winner so far. You're assuming you can get insanely high response rates for a tiny newspaper ad (have you looked at typical response rates for newspaper ads?). You're assuming you can get paid quite high per-click rates for ads (and assuming you can get Google to display the ads you want, of course). You're assuming that ranking high in Google is just a minor detail rather than a potentially major roadblock. You don't seem to have any concern that just a small difference in the numbers at any stage of the game can mean the difference between success and failure.
An arbitrage proposal that smells plausible tends to be one from someone who comes to the table with something nobody else has. Like a large stream of uniquely qualified traffic just waiting to be exploited. Or foreknowledge of an upcoming event that others don't know about. Or highly specialized technical knowledge that can be exploited while providing a barrier to entry for competitors. Arbitrage is not usually a good place to start for somebody who's got nothing particularly unique to bring to the table.
Doesn't mean you can't succeed in it. Just sounds highly unlikely, based solely on what you've posted so far. In any case, it doesn't cost much to try. If you don't succeed, you'll have gained some knowledge that may be worth the time/money it cost you.
Am i wrong?
Like I order 20 articles each ten days for my website, I really don't care if somone reads it or not as long it brings me more traffic and people sign up to my affiliate progi, or click on the ad-sence
