Its definitely still rolling out, 10% down on this time last week per hour.

Agreed. Are you in the UK?

I think it's starting to look better after nearly a full week of shuffling.

It is definitely still rolling. Some sites are popping in and out of first page on long tail keywords since Tuesday in the niche I monitor. Anyone else seeing big movements in the long tail keyword part of their serps?

@Petehall. Yes, today its better than yesterday but still slightly down on last week and ever further down from the week previous. Ive gone from 5k visitors per day to 4.2k in 4 weeks.

@nutterum, i am seeing the same activity you are seeing. Keywords in and out of Page 1 (our competitors) The only constant in SERP in the Top 3 for 2 of our money keywords.

We also have a client who is already on Page 3 for a very competitive keywords but slid back to Page 9 (where it was 3-4 months ago). Their site is new (6 months old), the long tail kw rankings have dropped 1-2 pages as well. I have 2 theories for this. One is Google is using old data set and penguin is not yet finished rolling out, when its finish I should see those rankings come back to normal. Two is perhaps Google have re-assessed the backlinks (they dont have a lot) and perhaps thats probably why the rankings have dropped. Anyone else with this experience on newer sites during this Penguin update?

Yet more movement here in the UK; more disappearing pages too.

I monitor 13 sites and I'm seeing results bouncing all over the place still. At breakfast I saw one set of results and then at lunch different ones. A lot of movement going on for the sites I track. Sad to see some spammy sites outrank me. But hopefully its only temporary.

My 'bouncing' https sites seem to be really settling down, with stability to the home/default pages being restored. Phew!

The vanishing pages have been stressful...

All non https sites have been fine. That'll teach me!

Penguin is rolling again. We have been waiting to see some keywords move since last October and this morning it's happening. Hopefully it continues and this sticks!

Anyone else seeing movement?

@SnowMan68 - good to hear. No movement here since Saturday, really (it's stuck, knock on wood).

I actually want to edit one of our pages that has started to rank, but I'm kind of scared to while this is still rolling out. Refrain for now?

I actually want to edit one of our pages that has started to rank, but I'm kind of scared to while this is still rolling out. Refrain for now?

I would be in the same boat as you, less change the better during the update. Especially if you've been waiting for a year! :)

@SnowMan68 - True! I'll hold off until it's done.

I have just searched - in the UK - for a product in my sector (I only used Google because a previous research tab was still open), and got

#1 - 2 Manufacturer
#3 - 5 USA store
#6 - 10 YouTube.

I suppose that is good, in that it meanse this rollout has reached my sector in the UK at last, but if that is what it will look like after this has rolled through it doesn't augur well for Google organics.

I'm frequently astonished that they can survive periods like this without a mass exodus to Bing.

It probably won't do sites with page 2 listings any harm, though.

While I was very pleased with Panda 4.0 and 4.1 in general and for my sites in particular, I have to say that this new Penguin update is pretty bad. To me it looks like, it's ignoring Panda-signals, because many pages with very thin content (but good backlinks to other sites of the website) suddenly pop up in the top spots.

I hope this update will get a few tweaks or that the final rollout will fix those problems by itself. In it's current state, the SERPs are simply horrible.

FYI: My sites seem to be uneffected. No ranking-changes at all.

In my webspace the quality authority sites are seeing an increase in traffic. The less quality sites with thin or shallow content are finally placing lower in the serps.

October 23 (Yesterday), saw a decent uptick in traffic, with better pageview totals; my site was massively effected by Penguin. But I still don't see total daily visitors anywhere near where I use to. We sent in a very large VERY well researched disavow file to GWT about 8 or so months ago, seems it has not been credited. Had a company hit us with negative SEO.

Not really sure, but one of my sites which a pure content site with almost no backlinks is seeing a spike in traffic. It was hit by a panda update some time ago and its traffic is up from yesterday.

Just some thoughts.

While I was very pleased with Panda 4.0 and 4.1 in general and for my sites in particular, I have to say that this new Penguin update is pretty bad. To me it looks like, it's ignoring Panda-signals, because many pages with very thin content (but good backlinks to other sites of the website) suddenly pop up in the top spots.

Very well spotted.

To me it looks like a considerable slackening of the Panda algorithm alongside this update. Thin pages seem to be fine again, although from initial analysis only larger players are getting away with this.

I have always a big fan of Panda as it forces good design and content.

Also being a developer for smaller companies it has really helped me compete with the larger sites. I do hope it tightens back up again... perhaps I am just selfish ;)

Out of curiosity: Did those of you, who where effected by Penguin 3.0 (one way or the other) had the typical crawling spike in WMT?

I had a massive spike on 10/14 and 10/15.

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We saw recovery for the first time today.

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Thanks!

Will be interesting to see, if others experience a crawling spike and not having been effected by Penguin.

No crawling spikes for any of my websites btw.

I don't see much of a spike at all for a while when looking at WMT, we were 100% effected by penguin and panda. Did a huge disavow, well researched one with an entire team analyzing all links to be removed. Disavow sent in 7 or more months ago. We lost about 85% of traffic from about 2.5 years back. Niche industry, use to have about 600+ hits per day, we got down to about 65 per day 8 months ago, now we are at about 90 per day, barely making it.

Our website spiked (36% increase from the month average for crawling..yeah I decided to do the napkin math) on 15 and 18 October.

The more interesting part is that the pages we have more(or lets be honest with you guys _any_) backlinks and decent content spiked on long tail keyword from bottom of first page to 1.6 average position. Really dramatic increase. And below the first two spots where we are currently residing everything else is a mess. Spam sites, individual listings, semi local searches, thin content "directories" full with banners and 2007 IE 9 design and coding - the works.

This was true for the last 10 days or so. Today gratefully we are still occupying the medium between first and third spot however what I see now are ultra authority sites that are competing in the generic keywords fighting for the 3-7 position. The big blatantly JUNK directory site that (from what I can only assume) had its previous penguin ban lifted, is there with them as well.

So keep you battle helmets on. I predict at least one more week if note more of movements in the long tail part of the SERPS.

Comments and observations on my assumptions are more than welcome.

The question is, if the SERPs are updated by a query to query or website to website basis.

While it makes sense for Panda to update individual page rankings per search query, I would argue, that Penguin is updated for the whole website, which might be the reason some people see huge gains or losses and others haven't experienced anything (yet).

My cleanest website got hit 5 days ago, around 70% decrease in organic traffic, with all my main keywords flunctuating.

I hope the update is not finished yet, otherwise this algo change does not make sense at all guys!

Yeah, one of my sites seems to be affected too now. Not too bad at the moment but definitely falling.

The backlinks are 100% clean, no artificial links, mainly URL and brandname links (even from theverge, techcrunch and other big sites). Content is unique (many 6000+ word articles), daily updated and well researched.

Makes absolutely no sense that this specific site is slipping now. I hope this is just some hickup while the update is still running.

It currently takes much longer for my new content to get indexed. Sometimes more than a day. Usually it's indexed in less than 5 minutes. Changes on pages are not even recognized a few days after resubmitting the page via WMT (crawl as google).

Makes absolutely no sense that this specific site is slipping now.

Maybe you aren't slipping, but someone else's previously penalized site is gaining?

I had one site drop a couple of spots that I knew should have NO penguin issues. I was confused until I saw 2 new entries above me that were previously not top 20.

No, the entries above are the ones which previously were below (for the main keywords I checked). So those are definitely ranking changes of my site.

There was a panda refresh on Friday around 4pm CST. Not sure if you noticed exactly when it changed.

There is some combination of Panda and Pinguin algo making changes with a combined effect. While the SERPS are not changing much the last 5-6 days I saw drop on visits, but in compensation higher than usual CTR and conversion rate.

In the end what we see from /ncr search is not what the majority of the people searching see. Something improved somewhere for sure. Way more targeted traffic these past days.

Anything similar since Friday on your end guys?

here was a panda refresh on Friday around 4pm CST. Not sure if you noticed exactly when it changed.

i saw it but do you have a official source?