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Google Updates and SERP Changes - July 2009 - part 2

         

tedster

12:16 am on Jul 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

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< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

its not the trademarked ghost dataset that went missing, and it wasn't a rebuild like the halloween update.

No, but the overall technique has a familiar feel to it. More than one dataset may be involved this time - and perhaps many more. Interesting that three weeks ago we were hearing reports of googlebot spidering like crazy, and in recent days, reports of googlebot not even showing up for some sites.

[edited by: tedster at 5:09 am (utc) on July 15, 2009]

mirrornl

1:23 pm on Jul 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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google not showing link "click here for omitted results"
and not more than 850 results for highvolume keyword,

anyone else seeing this?
cant track -950 now....

Bones

2:22 pm on Jul 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Is anybody else noticing that the date showning next to the SERPS. Is wrong.

Are you sure you're just not logged into your Google account and it's showing the dates you last visited those pages?

c41lum

3:18 pm on Jul 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Yeah defo not logged in, the date it shown on the left just underneath the Page Tittle. If i was logged in it would show the right, on the same line as the tittle.

Googles pulling the date from a old review on the page. Yet there are several newer reviews which have been posted. we get crawled pretty much every day. The date its showing is from back in April. I don't know whether this could be affecting us because of stale content. the latest Google cache from the 20th July shows the new content but in the results its showing the old date.

Very Strange, any one else hit this problem. Might be just coincidence but since we've seen the wrong date we have been hit pretty hard.

johnnie

2:54 pm on Jul 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Seems like there's been a rollback? Some of my recent pages have disappeared and I'm seeing old meta data showing up all over the place.

cangoou

3:17 pm on Jul 26, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Year, here too. Seems like Google doesn't know which algo is worse...

CainIV

12:15 am on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Seeing more data being folded in, previously penalized domains. Most of the ones I have spotted in genres I am familiar with show up initially without a 'cache' link, but over time are re-cached and then gain that link.

c41lum

12:27 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Yeah Im seeing big changes since last thursday.

Pass the Dutchie

1:52 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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yes I am seeing some minor shuffling going on with significant differences between Widgets and widgets.

willybfriendly

4:55 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing major changes in a niche I am familiar with (started yesterday). 7 of the top 10 on a single word search are "new" - meaning they were not top ten for some time, and never in quite this mix.

While I don't like the fact that my site(s) are not in that group, I have to admit that 7 of 10 probably deserve to be there. That does not include the 1994 .txt file that tends to crop up when G is playing around with the algo (which currently sits at #6 :()

I have sites that were at 3 and 6 that have dropped to 16 and 18.

trinorthlighting

8:21 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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We have not seen anything move over the past few days except backlinks updating a bit.

tedster

8:27 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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There is still more churn in the SERPs than we saw in May or June, but it has tapered off from the "high update" mode. I'm still seeing pages pop back into the first page that had gone AWOL for a while, and that shifts the rankings around/below them.

c41lum

8:46 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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yeah in my niche my sites been pushed right back. from page one to page 5/6. I wonder about a penalty kicking in.

carguy84

11:12 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Unrelated or not, my site has since lost all but one backlink (not via webmaster tools though) and the homepage seems to have disappeared out of the results, even for its name.

Our site was down for maintenance yesterday morning for about an hour, which might be why the HP isn't showing up, but not sure what to make of the backlinks, except that Google seemed to have a DNS issue (on its end) accessing the sitemap. But that has cleared up in the last few hours.

Time will tell, traffic and googlebot crawls still pretty normal. Perhaps a hiccup, but would like to see my TBPR come back from the 0 it's at now :).

SEOPTI

11:29 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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c41lum, page 5/6 is a penalty. It seems to be the most universal and widespread penalty at the moment.

c41lum

11:41 pm on Jul 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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thanks seopti,

my crawl rate has gone through the roof as well. which is making me feel very uneasy that g is reaching a heap of new pages that i dont know about.

proboscis

12:11 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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What causes a 5/6 penalty?

CainIV

1:03 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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The most prevalent penalty that involves page 5 and 6 is sometimes referred to as the -50 penalty. Some people here associate it with paid links, but I would suggest that it has more to do with perceived link manipulation as a whole, whether in regards to inbound or internal links.

proboscis

1:22 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Thanks CainIV

I have the -50 penalty but only on some pages, and not for all terms for example if my page title was "Widget: Makers, Places, and Spaces" and I used to be on page one for Widget, I will now be on page 5 or worse.

But am still on page one or two for Widget Makers, Widget Places, and Widget Spaces.

No paid links, and I don't think that I over link within my own site.

And something is definitely different today for this site but I don't know what it is, the penalized pages might be coming back or some other pages have risen a little.

johnnie

2:11 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Seeing a rise in crawler activity. I've also noticed a shift in traffic sources today; keywords replacing others as main sources of traffic. Overall traffic volume has however not changed.

CainIV

2:14 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hi proboscis. Doesn't sound as though you have the symptoms of the -50 penalty. In that specific penalty, searches for the business name itself usually show up no better than around position (sometimes slightly better, and sometimes slightly worse)

I would hold tight before making too many changes. I am seeing another wave of very strange changes tonight one of which shows two article directory articles ranking top 5 for very competitive terms that are generally accommodated by what I would judge to be well deserving of those positions.

tedster

2:54 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Good advice, I think. Over the past few weeks I've noticed a number of apparent 5-page penalties showing up. Then they disappeared a week or so later, with regular rankings restored.

There's something very wobbly about the current "state of the index".

caribguy

3:19 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Going back to the July 21st posts of Tedster, Whitenight, Shaddows, Spadilla and Dutchie:

We're taking a tumble for generic [location][widget], seeing big brands (travel), mom/pop sites, and some spam at the top.

On the other hand, there seem to be either no changes or better placement for phrases that include [location][widget/s] + [specific attribute]

johnnie

3:20 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Wel.. From what I've read here, it's time to get the internal link structure in order.

willybfriendly

7:06 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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There's something very wobbly about the current "state of the index".

I'll say. I'm back to #7, but that 1994 .txt page is up to #5.

cangoou

7:32 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Wel.. From what I've read here, it's time to get the internal link structure in order

What do you mean?

Pass the Dutchie

7:43 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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For our main theme keyword not much has changed but for [location] + [widgets] current standings are favourable.

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 9:20 pm (utc) on July 28, 2009]

StevieB

9:56 am on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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When I do site:www.domain.co.uk the top 3 listed urls have reappeared on the 1st page of Google.co.uk - two on Friday and one today.

Anyone else seeing a similar trend?

c41lum

3:11 pm on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Im seeing some very strange UK results at the moment. Some of my terms have been knocked back to page 8 today.

caribguy

8:05 pm on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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One of my competitors was wiped out for his [location]-[widgets] domain name today.

Pages from that domain show up as #2 and #3 However: he still takes the #1 spot, with the homepage of a former [widget] customer. The page displays duplicate content of the [location]-[widgets] homepage he normally ranks for.

Have only seen something like this during the Halloween update.

(edit/add)

Besides losing the [location]+[widgets] term, he also dropped (some terms gone completely, others -30 to -40) for comparable phrases, e.g. [alt location spelling]+[widgets/widgetry]

[edited by: tedster at 8:27 pm (utc) on July 28, 2009]

willybfriendly

9:46 pm on Jul 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I am now seeing old, old news stories showing top 10 in my niche (along with that 1994 .txt page). This has happened several times over the past 2-3 years, and has consistently been a sign of an algo in turmoil. Have never seen it stick for more than a couple of weeks at most.
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