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The More Things Change the More They Stay the Same

25 Years of Experience

         

Webwork

3:51 pm on May 1, 2025 (gmt 0)

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There is a saying that goes "The more things change the more they stay the same."

After 25 years of involvement in the domain name business I have to agree.

  • Free domain appraisals are worth no more than what you pay for them. Their algorithms do not capture the many unreported high-end aftermarket sales, so their appraisals tend to skew lower
  • Domain forums that are active skew, HEAVILY, towards posts of junk domains. The ratio of actionable posts to useless fluff runs about 1 in 500-1000
  • The best domains sell themselves, without broker involvement and ESPECIALLY WITHOUT "telling the world" how great the domain is.
  • Brokers DO play an important role in facilitating sales by educating their clients about the inherent value of certain domains AND the track record of reported and unreported sales that support the broker's analysis.
  • Vast sums of money is wasted every year on speculative domain registrations, that is, those registered with the intent to resell them as a registrant, and purchased as if they may be winning lottery tickets. People simply do not do their homework before making a move.
  • Noobs tend to follow the herd, failing to appreciate that once a herd has formed the domains that might stand a chance of selling in the aftermarket are long gone (registered alread).
  • Even exceptional domains may not sell, to an end user, for years . . and years . . but when they do . .
  • Culling the herd of registered domains that attract no interest is wise, especially if they're being held for purposes other than eventual development by the holder.
  • When a long-held domain is dropped, which almost always should be viewed as an indication that the registration was perhaps misguided, invariable some excitable fool will come along and grab it on the drop, re-register it on expiration, etc. (I pause to sigh and lament for those who didn't learn the lesson of my improvidence)
  • Holding a large quantity of domains "for eventual development" tends to be a fools errand, one that requires the fool to held some exceptional domains (that sell) in order to insulate the fool from their dubious plans or belief that they will ever get around to developing them
  • Something always comes along, like lower cost hosting, WordPress websites, SEO tools, and now ChatGPT and all its variants, to bolster the fool's belief that domain development is possible and might even be profitable #Argh
  • Reliance on search engines for a living, derived from traffic to websites, is forever a fool's errand, unless either a) you are selling people on the idea; or, b) you are prepared to endlessly invest in efforts to carve out a bit of search traffic . . in a world that has for decades been dominated by a search engine that appears determined to not have users click away (answer boxes, AI answers, etc)
  • Some years in the domain market are golden. Some are enough to get by on. Other times one can hear crickets chirping. A good start to a year is no guarantee that the aftermarket will validate the depth of your genius.
  • I somehow manage to continue to get older.;) :p


Well, it was nice to pay a visit. I have little new knowledge to add to the domain dialogue, other than I tend to be a bit suspicious of certain reported domain sales, which may serve only to excite interest and improvident "investments" in domains that, like so many, will prove a waste of money and time.

I hope y'all are having fun, making coin, and getting some decent payoffs on domain "investments" you made 25 years ago.

Amen.

lucy24

4:33 am on May 3, 2025 (gmt 0)

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:: vague mental association with {four-letter-word} dot org ::

Webwork

2:19 pm on May 3, 2025 (gmt 0)

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lucy24, the older I get the more vague some things get . . and the clearer others become.

4 letter .org? Hmmm . . Still have a few, but none of the recent sales involved any of them.

Funny how time can take a word and give it new import, importance and utility . . and heightened value . . and, in a round about way . . sports utility . . #sortof . . at least to moi . . Vvvrrrrooooommmm :p

lucy24

2:57 pm on May 3, 2025 (gmt 0)

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At this late date I honestly can't remember if it was you or someone else on this forum--and at this late date it can no longer matter. Anyway, *someone* spent $18,000 on {clean, wholesome four-letter word} dot org, and ended up not developing it, so

:: detour to internet ::

Huh. Wonder how many people over the years have thought “Oh, great domain name, why on earth hasn’t it been snapped up already?” and then never managed to do anything with it.

One of my test sites originated with a phrase that {political YouTuber} once uttered satirically. (As in, “You might as well have a website {unkind-phrase dot com}”.) It's got a front page for appearances’ sake, but really it’s just another test site.

tangor

7:33 am on May 4, 2025 (gmt 0)

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ANYTHING can be a "good" domain so I never understood the domain squatting pie-in-the-sky speculation philosophy, particularly AFTER LAWYERS discovered they could make money suing squatters to give 'em up.

Of course there is more to that story, but it does remain true and pretty much convinced me to avoid speculation. :)

Webwork

3:27 pm on May 9, 2025 (gmt 0)

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tangor, there's all manner of domain name speculation and speculators.

I've always viewed domain investing as a business function and a business, and possessed a degree of business skill from years of self-employment. I focused on generic, descriptive, industry defining domains. I stayed away from TM domains. In the long run it proved to be an effective strategy.

Others, appeared to see domaining as if it was a lottery or game of chance, in which they had some skill that might tilt the odds in their favor. Most folks in this category ended up losing money.

Folks that "follow the herd" tend to arrive far too late on the grazing lands.

My life in the domain world has been fun. It's been a lot of work, as in research, etc. It involved considerable risk. It has required a fair bit of business savvy and a bit of luck - as in being in the right "place" at the right time.

And, yes, it involved all manner of educated guesses - speculation, if you will - since nothing was ever certain, except the expense I would incur to register a newly minted domain or the expense of acquiring a domain in the aftermarket.

Kendo

11:20 pm on May 9, 2025 (gmt 0)

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With more than 250 domain name types to choose from, find one that is still available that could would suit your project and see how it will cost 100s if not thousands of dollars to register. Also see how many names are already claimed by squatters and not used. Just another toilet in want of a flush.

tangor

6:02 am on May 10, 2025 (gmt 0)

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Never said one could not make money, only that the vast majority of high quality domains has already been taken, the fact that TM is precluded (where most folks back in the day made their bucks before the lawyers got SMART), and the amount of time AND MONEY required to find and maintain these potential "sure-fire" domains devolved into nothing more than an educated guess with a monetary expense attached.

All of that simply convinced ME---many years ago!---to find other things to do with time and money which had a greater potential for success than a "money-pit-hunch". :)

That said, I DID keep a few around from 1998-2003 until I found buyers for them all (2003) and used that capital to expand the biz for a five year growth spurt and add one employee. :)

lucy24

2:50 pm on May 10, 2025 (gmt 0)

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For the big gamble, register the names of everyone in your state legislature as a dot com, and wait for one of them to need it for a Senate campaign ...