Forum Moderators: buckworks & webwork

Message Too Old, No Replies

Lost Registration of Domain Names - Options for Regaining?

         

DXL

1:24 pm on Jun 8, 2023 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I owned two popular websites that I created over 20 years ago. Both providing free, original content. After a few years, I placed ads on those sites to cover my hosting expenses.

Several years ago, my domains weren't auto-renewed (outdated card on file with each registrar). Due to circumstances out of my control, I wasn't available to update my billing info, and each domain was eventually registered by different people. One registrant redirected the more popular site (with tons of backlinks) to an ad-driven landing page. The other registrant simply left the domain a parked page.

The ad-driven page (which is now down) was run by someone I couldn't find any contact info for. Private registration. The parked page temporarily had had public whois info, I was able to contact the registrant. I was informed that they had planned on using the domain to promote a business that they ultimately didn't start. Yet for whatever reason, they weren't interested in selling me the domain name. So to this day, it has been nothing more than a parked page, and that's possibly all it will remain. And again, I have zero means of figuring out who owns the other domain, attempts to request contact via their registrar (through a request form) was never responded to.

Both sites were a huge part of my life. In theory I could start all over with new domain names. But I'd lose all the backlinks that still exist. I'd lose the name recognition. Even worse, I lost access to many social media and other accounts that I used site email addresses for. I'm willing to spend a significant amount of money to buy them back. But one registrant is unknown,the other stopped replying to my emails years ago.

1. Do I have any realistic means of getting them back, under the circumstances?

2. Neither domain name relates to a U.S. federal trademark. Even if they were, the domains aren't being used "in bad faith." If I registered the wording used in either domain name as a federal trademark, does that give me any edge in at least getting the owners into some form of arbitration to at least discuss me buying them? Or simply claiming them, and then finding a way to fairly reimburse both owners after the domain changed hands?

When I contacted attorneys specializing in internet law on behalf of friends for domains they lost, the legal fees they quoted were too significant.And that was 10, 15 years ago. I'm guessing all they could do anyway, is suggest arbitration (with no guarantee they could even arrange a dialogue). So I don't know if it would even help to contact an attorney.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Webwork

3:12 am on Jun 15, 2023 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Administrator 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



It's been my experience that a) money talks, the more the merrier (for the target); and, b) some folks just have no interest in dialogue, i.e., they do not wish to be found, identified, whatever. Folks in category "b" probably have a variety of domains under their control that may well cause them problems, so they lay low.

Did you ask the registrar to pass along a firm cash offer with a contact email address (and offer to pay the registrar a small fee for their time and assistance)?

Did you reach out to the parking company in the ^same way^?

Have you contacted any buyer-brokers, ones who may offer assurances of their ability to work around privacy in order to convey an offer? (I never attempted this, don't know if it's legal or has other limitations so "it's just a thought". Again, money sometimes gets things done.)

Have you posted your interest in a domain forum (not this) publicly declaring your interest in the specific domain and reasons therefore? Plus what you are willing to pay? There are lots of connections in the domain world. It might pay to explore this route or it may backfire. You could also be subjected to some scamming, so caveat emptor. However, this fits under "you never know".

I really don't have a surefire answer for you but, back in the day - when I used to be a big (and smallish) game hunter . . domain hunter . . I would a) act imaginatively / creatively / think outside the box (including my own or anyone else's assumptions); b) would be persistent (if A didn't work then B, C, D, etc - ie track down past business associates, you name it); and, lastly, c) I was very up front about money - making a credible and "not shy" offer.

Good luck.