Who controls domain after "Registrar Registration Expiration Date" ?

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Who controls domain after "Registrar Registration Expiration Date" ?

I always through it was available after that date?

SumGuy

3:04 pm on Jun 20, 2022 (gmt 0)

I got an email from some outfit that had obviously scrapped my site at some point and thought that a domain that matched one of our product names might be of interest to us.

I was looking up the whois info for the domain in question and I see:

Updated Date: 2022-06-14T21:53:20Z
Creation Date: 2014-05-19T18:50:11Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2022-05-19T18:50:11Z

So I see that the registration expiry date is in May, and we're past that now, so I'm confused as to why the domain isin't available. I tried to register it with the registrar I use and was told the domain wasn't available.

Can registrars take possession or control of domain names without registering them? And if so, then for how long? And what would stop them from controlling every possible unregistered or expired domain?

Webwork

7:16 pm on Jun 20, 2022 (gmt 0)

First there's a post-expiration "redemption / recovery grace period", which typically runs ~30 days.

Then there's typically a ~5 day "deletion period", or "pending deletion" period after which a domain "may" become available.

Any domain worth something more than a reg fee will be grabbed by a "drop catching" service.

Some domains go directly to a registrar's auction system.

Take a look here for a more in depth explanation: [icann.org ]

RedBar

12:53 pm on Jun 21, 2022 (gmt 0)

which typically runs ~30 days.

That's assuming it's a com/net/org I believe, some cctlds can have / used to have longer periods. I think I once had to wait a total of 90 days for one several years ago ... Hopefully that has changed.

SumGuy

1:01 pm on Jun 21, 2022 (gmt 0)

I guess what I'm wondering here is - if this domain is on a path to becoming available, and the timeline of the path is known, then why can't there be a "domain availability" date included with the whois record. It is a .com.

If there is no determinable availability date because a registrar is able to "sit" on it, are there no limits or durations for this state?

The listed registrant / registrar seems to be the same entity. Am I allowed to mention here who that is?

Webwork

5:23 pm on Jun 26, 2022 (gmt 0)

If you are looking for "results"- perhaps or preferably a fix - then your issue(s) are best taken up, directly, with the registrar and ICANN.

Naming names, in your situation, accomplishes little more than stating a grievance against a company. We cannot offer the solution you seek. At best others may commiserate.

There are websites and forums dedicated to the airing of grievances. Some may even work, as I know that the occassional tweet - directed at the party in interest - can, sometimes, get a response for the target-party.

I suggest you consider or take that approach, if you feel you are on solid ground. Tweet @ ICANN and the registrar and, if that stirs action, let us know.