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Members attacking each other on forum

Should I step in?

         

jmorgan

1:21 pm on Jan 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Two members who obviously feel very passionately about the topic they are discussing have become engaged in a heated debate which has escalated to the point of them attacking each other (not physically but you know what I mean).

There's lots of swearing and name-calling involved (moron, idiot, etc). So far I've stayed out of it and neither has reported each other for personal abuse yet (in which case I would probably take some action, not sure what yet but I'd think about it).

Should I step in and tell them to stop taking things so seriously and personally? It's starting to get pretty ugly.

The Contractor

1:29 pm on Jan 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If you do not have terms of service, well then they are not breaking them. If they are breaking your TOS of the board, you have to step in or otherwise your TOS is useless.. as will your forum eventually become.

Marcia

2:00 pm on Jan 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Tough call.

>>moron, idiot, etc

Those are altogether unacceptable, IMHO. At times there can be some degre of somewhat respectable "name calling" though not with words like those, that's quite accurate and makes a valid point. But those are just meaningless epithets and really don't describe anythiing about what the OP is actually doing or saying.

There should be TOS stating that members be respectful of others, but on occasion calling someone exactly what they are can be accurate enough to make it unfair to other members (who may feel the same way) to remove the comments.

With names like "idiot" and "moron" I'd nuke them without hesitation, and if something applicable wasn't in the TOS I'd add it that very day.

shyflower

2:31 pm on Jan 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

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There's no reason why you can't step in and tell them to keep it friendly... OR ELSE!

King_Fisher

8:41 pm on Jan 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

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In a fight its always the peace maker who gets clobbered!

Does the forum have TOS or moderators? If so email them to step in and put
a stop to this nonsense or it could pull the whole forum down...KF

leadegroot

3:00 am on Jan 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If you are a mod on the board then you should step in. They are putting the board in disrepute and there will be people who don't come back because they don't want an environment like that.
If this isn't against the board TOS then it needs revision :)

If you aren't a mod, then I would only intercede in the mildest terms if at all, because, as King Fisher said, its the peacemaker who will get clobbered

thecoalman

1:02 pm on Jan 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I'll agree with Marcia, a forum is no place for playground antics. I'd lock the topic and give the reason. Email or PM both participants you do not want anymore such nonsense then create a rule stating that it's not allowed.

rogerd

4:56 pm on Jan 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Some forums allow fighting. I've heard of a few that have an unmoderated forum where combative people can fight as much as they want and everyone else can stay away.

Personally, I think an unmoderated forum will cause many good members to leave (or not join at all). A quality member may put considerable time and thought into crafting a helpful post. If he gets flamed for the effort, that may be his last post. In addition, newbies may be afraid to post out of fear of being attacked or told they are stupid.

I'm sure that a key part of the success of WebmasterWorld is that the TOS requires courtesy, and that the mods ensure that happens.

One of the more common questions here is, "How do I get my lurkers to start posting?" Being friendly to first time posters and creating a non-intimidating environment are key answers to that question. Ever visit a forum where a newbie question is greeted with, "RTFF, noob!"? Does that seem like the kind of place that will attract a lot of new posters?

prfb

1:26 am on Jan 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I agree with the TOS suggestion, and I'd go a step further: I think it's wise to have "posting guidelines" or "help on creating messages" on every Compose Message page (just like this site does).

That said, you may wish to create special "no holds barred" forum container, move their thread there, and explicitly allow flames in that forum container. Some audiences really like to fight, so why not let them, and this way you don't lose people who might be put off by rough tactics.

BlueGhost

5:23 am on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

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yeah its all about the TOS. maybe you can add something in the TOS, maybe politely message each user saying there is no reason to use that kind of name calling and just warn them, or you can reply to the post and do the same thing.

I actually recently was warned on a hockey forum. They are very strict and i told someone to calm down (using a drug term, think of towlie from south park) and within a minute i was warned by 2 admins via private messaging. The first person did not allow me to view that particular forum that i posted in, while the other gave me a "warning" that showed by my name. I like how i could not have access to the post, because it instantly solved the problem of quieting a poster without others seeing you do it. Not only do you punish the person doing something wrong, you prevent yourself from having to monitor that particular person on that post.

rogerd

5:08 pm on Jan 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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An easy warning system is a handy tool on a forum. The easier you make it for a mod to let a member know that he/she crossed a boundary, the better. In addition, a warning system can track past warnings so that a mod who encounters a member for the first time can immediately see past mod admonitions to that member and take appropriate action.

Asia_Expat

8:00 am on Jan 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

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One of my moderators has the following signature...

'Discussion is an exchange of knowledge... argument is an exchange of ignorance'

... and the motto of the forum is to encourage intelligent, useful debate in our niche. The TOS also make it quite clear that this has proven successful in our search engine performance (i.e. the search engines are disinterested in pages of nonsensical argument and casual visitors are far more likely to stcik around if they can learn from what they read).

Don't be afraid to knock nonsense on the head... and if you lose a member because of it... you're probably better off without that member.

IMHO.